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Re: Transport / encoder coupling (Re: Use cases / requirements for raw data access functions)

From: Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 09:59:55 +0200
To: Peter Thatcher <pthatcher@google.com>
Cc: public-webrtc@w3.org
Message-ID: <8d7d34d9-0340-cc1d-587f-445e563b9e47@alvestrand.no>
On 05/21/2018 11:14 PM, Peter Thatcher wrote:
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> On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 9:14 PM Harald Alvestrand
> <harald@alvestrand.no <mailto:harald@alvestrand.no>> wrote:
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>     On 05/19/2018 12:11 AM, Sergio Garcia Murillo wrote:
>>>
>>>     We should separate transports from encoders (split the RtpSender
>>>     in half) to give more flexibility to apps.
>>
>>     I agree with that, but given RTP packetization is codec specific,
>>     we can't ignore that.
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>     I think we can translate this into requirements language:
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>     IF we specify the transport separately from the encoder
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>     THEN we need a number of pieces of API, either as JS API or as
>     specifications of "what happens when you couple a transport with
>     an encoder":
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>     - If the transport is like RTP, and isn't codec agnostic, it needs
>     information from the encoder about what the codec is, and may need
>     to inform the encoder about some transport characteristics (like
>     max MTU size for H.264 packetization mode 0).
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>     - If the transport is congestion controlled (and they all are!),
>     then there needs to be coupling of the transport's congestion
>     control with the encoder's target bitrate
>
>     - If the transport isn't reliable, and may toss frames, it needs
>     to be coupled back to the encoder to tell it to do things like
>     stop referring to a lost frame, or to go back and emit a new iframe.
>
>     Handling the data is just one part of handling the interaction
>     between transport and encoder.
>
>
> You are correct that a transport needs to have certain signals like a
> BWE.  It's also useful if it can give info about when a message/frame
> has been either acked or thrown away. 

>
> You are also correct that a high-level RTP transport would need to be
> told how to packetize.  But a low-level RTP transport could leave that
> up to the app.

I think we're closing in on saying that the conceptual model of an RTP
transport is layered: There's a layer that sends frames (which knows
about codec specific packetization and would tell the encoder that a
frame has been lost), and there's a layer that sends packets (and
doesn't need to know about how to break frames into packets).

The RTPFrameTransport would offer an interface similar to what
QUICTransport is proposed to do, while RTPPacketTransport would offer an
interface that lets the client set fields like PT. I think SRTP
encryption is agnostic to packet content, so it could be part of the
RTPPacketTransport.

merging in another thread on the same subject: unlike our current model
(and, I think, ORTC), I would think of an RTPTransport as an object that
handles multiple media streams. An RTPSender would be the object that
handles one media stream, since that's what we're using the name for
today. RTPSender stlll seems to have a mission.


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