- From: Mike Sierra <letmespellitoutforyou@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:59:36 -0500
- To: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>
- Cc: "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>, Alex Komoroske <komoroske@google.com>
Re "Action Item", Along with Julee, I plan to assemble a list of URLs based on interface declarations in a generous sample of W3C specs, with comments noting any items I run across that don't fit into the structure discussed in the meeting. It appears throughout the meeting, I was unclear about the purpose of <apilist>, which was reflected in my notes for the action item. Let me clarify terminology: /apis/apiName/apiInterface/(property|method|event) * The "apis" page would list available APIs by the spec-level conceptual handler by which they're commonly referred. * Each "apiName" page lists available apiInterfaces. This page would discuss how to use the API as a whole. * Each "apiInterface" would feature tables listing out... * ...properties, methods, and events. NOTE: open question whether to represent constants and exceptions on separate pages? I tend to think they belong in tables on the apiInterface page, partly because they're conceptually tied to the interface as a whole & partly b/c I expect them to brief & easy to scan at that level. Not sure if I missed this point earlier, but there are many cases where the "apiName" would match one of the component "apiInterface" items. Examples: File API defines File, FileList, FileReader, and Blob interfaces; Geolocation API defines Geolocation, Position, PositionOptions, PositionError, and Coordinates interfaces. I think users would understand the distinction, but I want to make sure we're aware of the issue. Was this the major concern about collisions? I'd suggest a couple of template enhancements: * Specify when one API interface extends another. E.g., I set up a page for CSSRegionStyleRule that inherits from CSSRule. Ideal if one interface can slurp in the other's. * Where appropriate, note the DOM node used to access each interface object: document, navigator, window, video, audio, etc. On this last point, perhaps remaining elements within dom/apis could then link back? I understand this will be the place for the remaining set of core DOM APIs. --Mike Sierra On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com> wrote: > Thanks to everyone who particpated on the call today to discuss the proposal > and the apis architecture. Ahead of meeting notes, I'd like to review some > of the main points and revisit the issues that were not fully resolved at > the end of the call. It's rather imperative that we be able to move forward > with the documenting the APIs, and I think we've resolved enough of the > issues to be able to move forward without having to do too much revising or > reorganizing of our docs down the road. > > Could everyone please take a moment to read this and respond? Thanks! > > apis architecture > > We decided to remove the "intermediate" pages (objects, events, methods, and > properties) from the namespace to keep the URLs shorter and eliminate the > need to fill these pages with queries or redirects. The new api namespace > architecture is as follows: > > apis > apis/<apilist> > apis/<apilist>/<apiObject>/<foo-event> > apis/<apilist>/<apiObject>/<bar-method> > apis/<apilist>/<apiObject>/<baz-property> > > Note: further discussion about the <apilist> namespace identifier is further > on, but assumed here to be maintained. > > I will begin rewriting the proposal for this and reorganizing the webrtc > docs. > > constants > > We discussed the possibility of providing for constants (enumerations) that > are shared across several methods within an object. I spoke with our own > Dimitri Glazkov about this. Turns out that an API may provide for the case > where a property could use only part of the enumeration (values 1 and 2, but > not 3) while another property would use all values (1, 2, and 3) of a given > enumeration. Constants are defined for the object, so this scenario is quite > common. > > Now the challenge is how to represent the valid constants for a particular > property. We need a way to specify constants 1 and 2 (but not 3) for > property A, and specify constants 1, 2, and 3 for property B. Probably the > best way is to follow the same approach we take with events, methods, and > properties pages and the "Applies to" field. > > So, each constant would have its own page, i.e. > apis/<apilist>/<apiObject>/<FOO-constant> and the properties page would have > a summary table listing each of the valid constants. The trick here would be > to provide each <FOO-constant> page with multiple "Applies to" fields so > that these could be shared. > > This needs some thought and design expertise. For now, let's just move > forward with constants listed per property. > > exceptions > > We need to describe the exceptions for a method. Same re-use scenario as > with constants. So apis/<apilist>/<apiObject>/<Bar-exception> and the > ability to "Applies to" to different methods. Note that often API methods > use DOM exceptions, so this template needs to work for both dom and apis. > Could get kind of hairy with multiple "Applies to" fields. > > Needs some thought and design expertise, too. For now, let's just move > forward with exceptions listed per method. > > Move all apis under dom > > It was suggested that all of the api pages could be moved under the dom > namespace. > > Early on we decided to keep the dom namespace separate from the apis > namespace. The "non-dom" apis are more clearly defined on their own, and > fitting them within the dom does not add any value. While it is true that > most of the time an API is accessed within the context of a dom object, i..e. > navigator.getUserMedia() or window.indexedDB.open(), usually this context > is only necessary to create the initial object, i.e. a LocalMediaStream > object or an IDBOpenDBRequest object. That much is adequately covered in the > documentation and needn't be spelled out in the URLs. And, as was pointed > out in the call, our purpose is not to mimic the document object model in > our URLs, but to provide for location and navigation. Furthermore, nesting > everything under a DOM object page makes the URL longer. > > API Listing pages > > It was suggested that we remove the API Listing pages from the apis > namespace. I strongly urge us not to do so. > > The API listing pages describe the API by its common names - the names by > which users search for information about the API. It provides for > find-ability where an API has multiple "listing names" - as is the case with > the WebRTC API which is further sub-divided into the MediaStream, > PeerConnection, and DataChannel APIs. These need to be included as > sub-headings in the listing page to fully describe the API. > > The API listing pages provide an overview of how to use the API objects > included in the specification. The best place to do this is within the apis > namespace, rather than a "concepts" or "guides" or other namespace. > > The API listing pages provide for disambiguation between like-named API > objects. Consider two objects: > > The MediaStreamAudioSourceNode object from the Web Audio API > The MediaStream object from the WebRTC API > > In fact, both of these are the same thing, as creating a > MediaStreamAudioSourceNode is simply passing to that object an object of > type MediaStream: > > MediaStreamAudioSourceNode createMediaStreamSource ( MediaStream mediaStream > ); > > If our URLs read, apis/MediaStreamAudioSourceNode and /apis/MediaStream > without any context to differentiate them, users are likely to get confused. > > Action Item: Proving out the apis architecture > > I'm concerned that there may have been a miscommunication about the action > item captured at the end of the meeting. This happened while the meeting was > adjourning, and may have been misconstrued. Here's the snippet from the IRC > channel: > > 9:57 AM <sierra_> TASK: someone sanity-check how actual APIs would work > 9:59 AM <sierra_> in apis/<apilist>/objects/<apiObject>/properties , go to > apis/APIobject/properties > 10:00 AM <sierra_> sorry, apis/APIobject > > What I heard was that the action item is to review the apis namespace to see > if there would be collisions between api objects without the intervening > <apilist> object. First, it is unlikely that within our very limited apis > namespace that this will happen (we currently have some 8 or 9 APIs, not > counting DOM APIs); second, we can never fully prove the lack of collisions > because we don't have time to review the entire set of standard APIs - and > we certainly can't vet the ones that haven't been created yet. > > Perhaps someone could fill in here why this exercise is necessary and what > it hopes to prove? > > Would it not be more efficacious to simply proceed with maintaining the > <apilist> namespace identifier - as in apis/<apilist>/<apiObject>/<etc.>? > > Thanks for helping out here! > > +Scott > > > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, PhistucK <phistuck@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I am planning on adding fields for constants within the API Object >> template/form. It might take a few days, though. I hope to work on it on >> Friday or Saturday. >> >> ☆PhistucK >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:06 PM, David Gash <dgash@google.com> wrote: >>> >>> Scott, >>> For tomorrow's call, apart from the basic issue of the API content >>> architecture, let's discuss the web audio list before I set off creating >>> ~150 pages. Also, I have a few questions about certain parts of the >>> interface that you (or someone else) may be able to answer, below. The >>> numbers refer to the W3C spec, and are linked to the specific sections for >>> easy reference. >>> >>> 4.3 AudioSourceNode >>> Listed as an "abstract" interface, has no documented properties or >>> methods. >>> >>> 4.11 MediaElementAudioSourceNode >>> Created in an Audiocontext, has no documented properties or methods. >>> >>> 4.14.1 PannerNode Constants >>> There's no API structure/path for constants. >>> >>> 4.18 ChannelSplitterNode and >>> 4.19 ChannelMergerNode >>> Also have no documented properties or methods. >>> >>> 4.24 WaveTable and >>> 4.25 MediaStreamAudioSourceNode >>> Also have no documented properties or methods. >>> >>> I'm not sure whether to create pages for the objects with no properties >>> or methods, and whether to document the PannerNode constants as properties >>> or... something else. Any input appreciated. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks Dave! Be sure to share any issues you encounter on this thread. >>>> +Scott >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:16 AM, David Gash <dgash@google.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Scott / all, >>>>> >>>>> I'm starting to document the web audio API. Based on Scott's proposal >>>>> doc and the W3C specs, the first few topics' URLs will be structured thus: >>>>> >>>>> apis/webaudio >>>>> >>>>> apis/webaudio/objects/AudioContext/properties/destination >>>>> apis/webaudio/objects/AudioContext/properties/sampleRate >>>>> apis/webaudio/objects/AudioContext/properties/currentTime >>>>> apis/webaudio/objects/AudioContext/properties/listener >>>>> apis/webaudio/objects/AudioContext/properties/activeSourceCount >>>>> apis/webaudio/objects/AudioContext/methods/createBuffer >>>>> apis/webaudio/objects/AudioContext/methods/decodeAudioData >>>>> apis/webaudio/objects/AudioContext/methods/createBufferSource >>>>> apis/webaudio/objects/AudioContext/methods/. . . etc. >>>>> >>>>> apis/webaudio/objects/AudioNode/properties/context >>>>> apis/webaudio/objects/AudioNode/properties/numberOfInputs >>>>> apis/webaudio/objects/AudioNode/properties/numberOfOutputs >>>>> apis/webaudio/objects/AudioNode/methods/connect >>>>> apis/webaudio/objects/AudioNode/methods/disconnect >>>>> >>>>> apis/webaudio/objects/. . . etc. >>>>> >>>>> There are a lot more objects, properties, and methods in this API, of >>>>> course, but Scott has reviewed this plan and, barring any objections, that's >>>>> the path structure I'll be following. >>>>> >>>>> I plan to outline the entire set before creating any pages, then create >>>>> all the stubs, then go back and fill in. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> When I sat down to document the process for creating API pages, using >>>>>> the WebRTC documentation as the poster child, I found more questions than >>>>>> answers. I realized that we did not have a good story here, so I did my best >>>>>> to fill in the holes with a methodology that attempts to solve the problems >>>>>> I found. >>>>>> >>>>>> You find this methodology described in WPD:Creating_API_pages. >>>>>> >>>>>> Note that it started out as a how-to for contributors, but quickly >>>>>> became a proposal. So parts of it will read either way. Don't be alarmed. >>>>>> The purpose of the document is to provide you with a methodology to try on >>>>>> as you do what I did - test it out with your own API pages. >>>>>> >>>>>> As you do, please don't update the methodology in that page - let's >>>>>> discuss it first. We can use this thread for the discussion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for your help! >>>>>> >>>>>> +Scott >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
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