Re: Video training on WPD

I was going to chime in, but then realized that Greg made almost all of the
exact points I was going to make. Video content is great, but there's a
very real risk of it becoming out of date quickly.

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Greg Knoke <greg.knoke@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm a bit of a lurker on this list, but as someone who has produced
> training videos in the past I do have some thoughts on this topic:
>
> 1. Video training can go stale very quickly and it's more effort to update
> a video than editing a wiki. If we are including this video training, who
> would ultimately be responsible for updating it? My feeling is that far
> fewer people are willing to contribute to maintaining such a thing. I would
> hate to see WPD become littered with out-of-date videos that no one updates.
>
> 2. I am completely behind supporting people who learn in a primarily
> audio/visual way. However, my own experience is that programming is
> generally difficult to learn via video instruction. I suspect the majority
> of people try to follow along with an example and code it themselves.. This
> often means frequently looking back and forth between the example and
> whatever you're trying to work on. Pausing a video at just the right frame
> can be frustrating if it is not designed with that in mind.
>
> 3. With regards to these particular videos, I concur with David that any
> included videos should be technically accurate, relevant, and high-quality
> to mesh with the quality goals of WPD. It's very difficult to do a video
> that is sufficiently engaging to make learning enjoyable.
>
> That said, I am not advocating against video training if it is done well.
> I just think it introduces a level of complexity that should be carefully
> considered beyond licensing concerns.
>
> --Greg
>
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:41 PM, David Bradbury <davidmbradbury@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Regarding videos in general, I think as long as some basic standards and
>> licencing guidelines are followed, it would be just fine. That said, I
>> think some consideration needs to be given as to whether it would look like
>> a blog and/or product is being endorsed by WP and its associated stewards.
>> Video content also takes much longer to moderate assuming we are making
>> sure to watch the videos that are embedded in the docs.
>>
>> Regarding these particular videos posted, I already have a few issues
>> (not limited to his use of XHTML Transitional, break tags, and horizontal
>> rule tags (complete with width/size attributes, etc...)). Those issues can
>> be addressed in the QA post itself, but it demonstrates that we need to
>> make sure that videos that are included are high quality, relevant,
>> up-to-date, and hopefully make the learning process enjoyable.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Jonathan Garbee <jonathan@garbee.me>wrote:
>>
>>> I just approved this [1] post on the Q&A and thought it would be a great
>>> thing to bring up.
>>>
>>> What do you guys think of video training on WPD?  Licensing would need
>>> to be worked out appropriately, but still worth thinking about.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Garbee
>>>
>>> [1] http://talk.webplatform.org/**forums/index.php/2472/video-**training<http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/2472/video-training>
>>>
>>>
>>
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