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Re: APRICOT 2014 closing keynote on payments

From: Pindar Wong <pindar.wong@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 20:34:03 +0800
Message-ID: <CAM7BtUpkm-aq38RQtzu3qFko-xP3F31Q4fnF_0zJ204qMJ6F3Q@mail.gmail.com>
To: Joseph Potvin <jpotvin@opman.ca>
Cc: Web Payments <public-webpayments@w3.org>
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Joseph Potvin <jpotvin@opman.ca> wrote:

> Pindar, Great presentation.
>
>
Joseph, Manu: Thank for the shout out.


> I have one point to mention which is sort of tangential to this list,
> but evidently is quite important to the approach being pursued in Hong
> Kong. The issue is that the phrase "Intellectual Property" seems
> entirely coherent to some and entirely incoherent to others:
> -- World Intellectual Property Organization http://www.wipo.int
> -- Did You Say "Intellectual Property"? It's a Seductive Mirage
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html
>
>
Agreed.

In my experience 'intellectual property' (another 'IP') is one of a loaded
terms that often risks alienating/polarizing a discussion even before it
starts.  That really wasn't my intention in Malaysia, rather to focus
forward to issues surrounding KYC/identity service/management provision and
all that that might entail. Although I ran out of time, I wanted to stress
that online identity may take many forms/persona(s) and may not always need
to correspond 1:1 with meatspace.


I know many people roll their eyes at this, but it's more than an
> academic issue -- it's political and legal. And the tug-of-war goes
> back centuries:
> Back to the Future (1773) http://www.ifosslr.org/ifosslr/article/view/23
>
>
Absolutely.


> Two neutral alternatives that don't raise red flags for the
> free/libre/open source community are:
>
> * "intellectual resources"
> -- Introduced by Kenneth Boulding in a 1963 article:
> http://www.jstor.org/pss/985441
>
> * "intellectual capital" which the accounting professions settled on:
> -- Understanding corporate value: managing and reporting intellectual
> capital
> http://www.cimaglobal.com/Documents/ImportedDocuments/tech_techrep_understanding_corporate_value_2003.pdf
> -- MERITUM Project Guidelines for Managing and Reporting on Intangibles
> www.pnbukh.com/files/pdf_filer/MERITUM_Guidelines.pdf
> -- Intellectual capital: Concepts, components and indicators: A
> literature review
> http://www.growingscience.com/msl/Vol2/msl_2012_185.pdf
> -- Intellectual Capital Statements - The New Guideline
> https://pure.au.dk/ws/files/32340329/guideline_uk.pdf
> -- Intellectual Capital Accounts. Reporting and managing intellectual
> capital. The Danish Trade and Industry Development Council. Submission
> to the OECD. http://www.oecd.org/sti/ind/1948022.pdf
>
>
Noted with thanks and respect.

Long story short, as I've said here in HK.

1)  'You don't build a knowledge economy by keeping knowledge scarce'
2) 'Programmers and Bloggers gotta eat'

Again, sorry I won't be able to meet many of you on March 23-25 as I need
to attend to some 'Internet Goverance' (another 'red flag' word?) -related
discussions at the ICANN Singapore meeting.

I find the openness (and clue) of this group v. inspiring and invigorating.
I hope to re-engage in early April 2014 and look forward learn more about
the deep discussions and outcomes from the Paris meeting.  :)

Till then ...

p.

Writing in my capacity as...
>
> Joseph Potvin
>  Chair, OSI Working Group on Management Education About
> Free/Libre/Open  Methods, Processes and Governance
>  jpotvin@opman.ca
>  Mobile: 819-593-5983
>
> On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
> wrote:
> > APRICOT is a group of people that keep the Internet running in the
> > Asia-Pacific region. If you haven't read the closing keynote from
> > APRICOT 2014 on payments, you should. It's really well done:
> >
> >
> https://conference.apnic.net/data/37/27Feb14-APRICOT-Closing-Plenary-DRAFT.txt
> >
> > ... and as an added bonus, it's done by one of our very own Web Payments
> > CG members, Pindar Wong.
> >
> > -- manu
> >
> > --
> > Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sporny)
> > Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
> > blog: The Worlds First Web Payments Workshop
> > http://www.w3.org/2013/10/payments/
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Joseph Potvin
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> The Opman Company | La compagnie Opman
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