Fwd: Transclusion Transcopyright Micropayments

Jonas, Please see the brief exchange below. The context for this is:
http://www.w3.org/2013/10/payments/
https://web-payments.org/

For the web-payments community group, I'd put this in the potential "use
cases" category.

To borrow the example of the demo video on the CommonsMachinery home page,
this question can be framed in terms of enabling easy voluntary
peer-to-peer crowdfunding towards Joe, who has placed work under a CC-by.

Actually, a good case-in-point could be this link which recently made the
rounds:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/26/russian-mother-captures-atmospheric-photos--family-portraits-of-sons-on-farm/1

The photographer is showing her photos without a fee. No matter what
license type for copying and redistribution, imagine if people whose hearts
she's warmed could, I dunno, right-clink on the photo and in the drop-down
list there's "Support". From there a peer-to-peer micropayment could be
activated for the amount the heart-warmed viewer prefers. For text works,
let's say that in a browser or from a PDF, or whatever, the reader can
always highlight selected text, right-click, and can select "Support". Same
for a tweet. The support should be a "thumbs-up" like plus a monetary value
option.

Well, authenticity of attribution will really matter a lot.

And since copyright is about the particular expression, not about the idea,
ine text works there will be a strong incentive to always paraphrase and
rarely quote another author, since with the paraphrase any support money
would go to the paraphraser, whereas with the direct quote, some of the
support money would make its way to the original author who expressed
something (...but who may have paraphrased somebody else's expression of a
good idea). Easy flow of funds could make this all super cool when it works
well, and awfully upsetting when it doesn't.

For the simple use case, though, I'm wondering if there's anything that
would be needed on the side of a W3C web payments spec and ref
implementation to facilitate this. My first impression is that it's all for
the other end to design and implement, therefore "no". But my second
impression is that there might be something to address within the web
payments spec to accommodate rights initiatlves like CommonsMachinery,
rXrML and RDF.

What's your assessment?

Joseph Potvin


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Andrew Mackie <andrew@supplydemand.info>
Date: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: Transclusion Transcopyright Micropayments
To: public-webpayments@w3.org


 This project, which is about embedding attribution and license metadata
into content, might be a useful step in that direction -
http://commonsmachinery.se/


 On 15/02/2014 06:36, Joseph Potvin wrote:

 In Ted Nelson's original concept of transclusion he mentioned the
requirement for micropayments for any fee-constrained re-use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transclusion
Transclusions in an HTML-Based Environment http://hrcak.srce.hr/file/69293
Transcopyright http://transcopyright.org/
Transcopyright for the Web http://xanadu.com/tco/

 From what I have noticed so far, the current interest of a few major
publishers in W3C-related Web Payments work is to implement micropayments
for the viewing of whole pages. Is there also an expressed demand at this
time for transclusion-based micropayments towards transcopyright? And does
it imply any particular requirements for an eventual WP spec to ensure that
transclusion-related payments are natively supported?  Just ask'n.

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Joseph Potvin


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