Re: Payment standardization wish-list for 2015

On 2014-12-29 21:31, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
> On 12/29/14 1:58 PM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
>> On 2014-12-29 18:58, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>>> On 12/28/14 2:18 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
>>>> My payment standardization wish-list for 2015 only contains a single
>>>> item,
>>>> defining how untrusted web-applications are supposed to interact
>>>> with the
>>>> trusted client platform.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What is an "untrusted web-application" ?
>>
>> Technically all server applications that cannot be verified/recognized
>> by the client platform.
>>
>>
>>> What is a "trusted web-application" ?
>>
>> An application that is permitted accessing sensitive local resources.
>>
>>> What is "trust" ?
>>
>> The thing needed to enable the the previous item.
>>
>>
>>> How is "trust" attained?
>>
>> That's the $1M question.
>
> It isn't. It's a 0.00 question if you accept the notion of logic
> [1][2][3], and the fact that it can be part of the Web platform.
> Otherwise, it is a 1000^1000MMM++ question.
>
>>    I have suggested certain solutions, other people
>> believe in trusted middleware and a bunch of people headed by Google
>> tries
>> to solve this with user permissions.
>
> None of your solutions reflect the fact that logic is part of the Web [4].

I think the WebPayment CG is ill-prepared for their mission because if you think
I'm bad take a look at this exchange:

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcrypto/2014Dec/0070.html

This is *my* world.  It is totally free from RDF, JSON-LD and such.

Anders
>
> Links:
>
> [1] http://www.slideshare.net/PatHayes/blogic-iswc-2009-invited-talk --
> a staring point
> [2] http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/rolelog.pdf -- The Role of Logic and
> Ontology In Language and Reasoning
> [3] http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/fflogic.htm -- Fads & Fallacies about Logic
> [4]
> http://kidehen.blogspot.com/2014/03/world-wide-web-25-years-later.html
> -- World Wide Web, 25 years later...
>
>
> Kingsley
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> If this is achieved (and with a reasonable amount of consensus...) the
>>>> W3C have resurrected
>>>> the web-browser from its current "dead-in-water" state with respect to
>>>> secure payments.
>>>
>>> The web-browser is one kind of Web (HTTP Network) user agent. That's it.
>>> It doesn't in anyway define or set the status quo for what's possible on
>>> the Web.
>>
>> No, but if we are going to deprecate the browser, I think we need a
>> new charter.
>>
>> Hey guys, is this what you want???
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>   From that point, the rest becomes pure engineering instead of "black
>>>> magic" .
>>>
>>> You need to understand your tools and the problem at hand before you can
>>> embark upon any kind of meaningful engineering :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Kingsley
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Anders Rundgren
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Received on Monday, 29 December 2014 21:25:35 UTC