- From: Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:25:03 +0100
- To: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>, public-webpayments@w3.org
On 2014-12-29 21:31, Kingsley Idehen wrote: > On 12/29/14 1:58 PM, Anders Rundgren wrote: >> On 2014-12-29 18:58, Kingsley Idehen wrote: >>> On 12/28/14 2:18 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote: >>>> My payment standardization wish-list for 2015 only contains a single >>>> item, >>>> defining how untrusted web-applications are supposed to interact >>>> with the >>>> trusted client platform. >>>> >>> >>> What is an "untrusted web-application" ? >> >> Technically all server applications that cannot be verified/recognized >> by the client platform. >> >> >>> What is a "trusted web-application" ? >> >> An application that is permitted accessing sensitive local resources. >> >>> What is "trust" ? >> >> The thing needed to enable the the previous item. >> >> >>> How is "trust" attained? >> >> That's the $1M question. > > It isn't. It's a 0.00 question if you accept the notion of logic > [1][2][3], and the fact that it can be part of the Web platform. > Otherwise, it is a 1000^1000MMM++ question. > >> I have suggested certain solutions, other people >> believe in trusted middleware and a bunch of people headed by Google >> tries >> to solve this with user permissions. > > None of your solutions reflect the fact that logic is part of the Web [4]. I think the WebPayment CG is ill-prepared for their mission because if you think I'm bad take a look at this exchange: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcrypto/2014Dec/0070.html This is *my* world. It is totally free from RDF, JSON-LD and such. Anders > > Links: > > [1] http://www.slideshare.net/PatHayes/blogic-iswc-2009-invited-talk -- > a staring point > [2] http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/rolelog.pdf -- The Role of Logic and > Ontology In Language and Reasoning > [3] http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/fflogic.htm -- Fads & Fallacies about Logic > [4] > http://kidehen.blogspot.com/2014/03/world-wide-web-25-years-later.html > -- World Wide Web, 25 years later... > > > Kingsley >> >> >>> >>>> If this is achieved (and with a reasonable amount of consensus...) the >>>> W3C have resurrected >>>> the web-browser from its current "dead-in-water" state with respect to >>>> secure payments. >>> >>> The web-browser is one kind of Web (HTTP Network) user agent. That's it. >>> It doesn't in anyway define or set the status quo for what's possible on >>> the Web. >> >> No, but if we are going to deprecate the browser, I think we need a >> new charter. >> >> Hey guys, is this what you want??? >> >> >>>> >>>> From that point, the rest becomes pure engineering instead of "black >>>> magic" . >>> >>> You need to understand your tools and the problem at hand before you can >>> embark upon any kind of meaningful engineering :) >>> >>> >>> Kingsley >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Anders Rundgren >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > >
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