Re: Payment standardization wish-list for 2015

On 12/29/14 1:58 PM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
> On 2014-12-29 18:58, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>> On 12/28/14 2:18 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
>>> My payment standardization wish-list for 2015 only contains a single
>>> item,
>>> defining how untrusted web-applications are supposed to interact 
>>> with the
>>> trusted client platform.
>>>
>>
>> What is an "untrusted web-application" ?
>
> Technically all server applications that cannot be verified/recognized 
> by the client platform.
>
>
>> What is a "trusted web-application" ?
>
> An application that is permitted accessing sensitive local resources.
>
>> What is "trust" ?
>
> The thing needed to enable the the previous item.
>
>
>> How is "trust" attained?
>
> That's the $1M question.

It isn't. It's a 0.00 question if you accept the notion of logic 
[1][2][3], and the fact that it can be part of the Web platform. 
Otherwise, it is a 1000^1000MMM++ question.

>   I have suggested certain solutions, other people
> believe in trusted middleware and a bunch of people headed by Google 
> tries
> to solve this with user permissions.

None of your solutions reflect the fact that logic is part of the Web [4].

Links:

[1] http://www.slideshare.net/PatHayes/blogic-iswc-2009-invited-talk -- 
a staring point
[2] http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/rolelog.pdf -- The Role of Logic and 
Ontology In Language and Reasoning
[3] http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/fflogic.htm -- Fads & Fallacies about Logic
[4] 
http://kidehen.blogspot.com/2014/03/world-wide-web-25-years-later.html 
-- World Wide Web, 25 years later...


Kingsley
>
>
>>
>>> If this is achieved (and with a reasonable amount of consensus...) the
>>> W3C have resurrected
>>> the web-browser from its current "dead-in-water" state with respect to
>>> secure payments.
>>
>> The web-browser is one kind of Web (HTTP Network) user agent. That's it.
>> It doesn't in anyway define or set the status quo for what's possible on
>> the Web.
>
> No, but if we are going to deprecate the browser, I think we need a 
> new charter.
>
> Hey guys, is this what you want???
>
>
>>>
>>>  From that point, the rest becomes pure engineering instead of "black
>>> magic" .
>>
>> You need to understand your tools and the problem at hand before you can
>> embark upon any kind of meaningful engineering :)
>>
>>
>> Kingsley
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Anders Rundgren
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


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