RE: FW: Call for Consensus to Request Member Review of Commerce IG Charter - Please Respond by 19 June

I agree with the relevance in terms of work.

But I’m not sure anything is improved by being more explicit in the charter.  Actual targets for investigation should (IMO) be decided by the group.  Putting more stuff in the charter for review doesn’t really add much clarity, and possibly adds additional work at the rechartering stage that isn’t all that helpful.

Best regards,
David


From: Joseph Potvin [mailto:jpotvin@opman.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:18 AM
To: David Ezell
Cc: KETELS Kris; Jean-Yves Rossi; Katie Haritos-Shea; Kenneth Mealey; Web Payments IG; Dapeng Liu (Max) (max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com); Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)
Subject: Re: FW: Call for Consensus to Request Member Review of Commerce IG Charter - Please Respond by 19 June

There was quite a comprehensive list of other standards put together early in the W3C Web Payments work, and probably most of it is relevant here.
For a "Commerce IG" it seems to me that ISO 20022 for financial messaging is adjacent, not directly involved. If the the charter should mention just an example or two, ISO 19845 is more directly in the commerce sphere. (I'm not playing 'favourites' -- in own work those two are equally important.)

Joseph Potvin
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On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM, David Ezell <David_E3@verifone.com<mailto:David_E3@verifone.com>> wrote:
I would caution that since the line say’s “e.g.” it’s very open to all the standards mentioned below, as well as others that may be as important, but we don’t have them on the list.  The more standards mentioned in the list, the more precise it seems, and that’s not accurate.

From: KETELS Kris [mailto:Kris.KETELS@swift.com<mailto:Kris.KETELS@swift.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:11 AM
To: Joseph Potvin; Jean-Yves Rossi
Cc: Katie Haritos-Shea; Kenneth Mealey; David Ezell; Web Payments IG; Dapeng Liu (Max) (max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com<mailto:max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com>); Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org<mailto:ij@w3.org>)
Subject: RE: FW: Call for Consensus to Request Member Review of Commerce IG Charter - Please Respond by 19 June

Hi,

There are quite a few financial (and other)  standards around. Will you be the liaison for the standards you mention?

Kind regards
Kris

From: Joseph Potvin [mailto:jpotvin@opman.ca]
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 11:06 AM
To: Jean-Yves Rossi
Cc: Katie Haritos-Shea; Kenneth Mealey; David Ezell; Web Payments IG; Dapeng Liu (Max) (max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com<mailto:max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com>); Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org<mailto:ij@w3.org>)
Subject: Re: FW: Call for Consensus to Request Member Review of Commerce IG Charter - Please Respond by 19 June

RE: Harmonization with other standards (e.g., ISO 20022)

I suggest:

Harmonization with other standards (e.g., ISO 19845, ISO 20022, UNICITRAL WG IV)

Joseph Potvin
Executive Director, Xalgorithms Foundation
Mobile: 819-593-5983<tel:819-593-5983>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Jacobs [mailto:ij@w3.org<mailto:ij@w3.org>]
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 10:08 AM
To: Web Payments IG <public-webpayments-ig@w3.org<mailto:public-webpayments-ig@w3.org>>
Subject: Call for Consensus to Request Member Review of Commerce IG Charter - Please Respond by 19 June

Dear Web Payments Interest Group Participants,

The charter of the Web Payments Interest Group [1] expires 30 September 2017.
Since the March face-to-face meeting [2], we have been developing a new charter with an expanded scope.

This is a Call for Consensus to determine whether the Interest Group supports the W3C Director requesting Membership review [3] of:

   Commerce Interest Group Charter
   https://www.w3.org/2017/03/commerce-charter.html


PLEASE RESPOND to the proposal by 9am ET on 19 June.

For the co-Chairs,
Ian Jacobs

[1] https://www.w3.org/2014/04/payments/webpayments_charter.html

[2] https://www.w3.org/2017/03/22-wpay-minutes#item08

[3] https://www.w3.org/2017/Process-20170301/#CharterReview


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PROPOSAL: That the Web Payments Interest Group request that the W3C Director
                      propose the above charter to the W3C Membership.

Please indicate one of the following in your response:

1. Support the proposal.

2. Request some changes, but support the proposal even
   if suggested changes are not taken into account.

3. Request some changes, and do not support the proposal
   unless the changes are taken into account.

4. Do not support the proposal (please provide rationale).

5. Support the consensus of the Web Payments Interest Group.

6. Abstain.

We invite you to include rationale in your response.

If there is strong consensus by 19 June (9am ET) for the proposal, it will carry.

If there are objections or proposals for substantive changes we will try to resolve them and start a new Call for Consensus.

====================
Regarding Formal Objections

* If you do not support the charter and you wish your lack of support  to be communicated to the W3C Director and reviewed, please include  the phrase "FORMAL OBJECTION” [4] in your response. Be sure to  include substantive arguments or rationale.

* Silence will be taken to mean there is no Formal Objection [4].

* If there are Formal Objections, the Chairs plan to contact the
 individual(s) who made them to see whether there are changes that  would address the concern and increase consensus to advance the  charter.

[4] https://www.w3.org/2017/Process-20170301/#Consensus


============================
Next steps if the Proposal carries

If the proposal carries, the W3C Management Team will review and complete the draft charter (e.g., by adding information about chairs and team contacts and charter end date).

If the W3C Management Team approves the charter, they will initiate a 4-week review by the W3C Membership.

Our goal is to launch the Commerce IG by mid-September and to hold a Face-to-Face meeting during TPAC 2017. (This would take the place of the Web Payments IG Face-to-Face meeting.)

For more about chartering operations, see:
 https://www.w3.org/Guide/Charter.html


--
Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org<mailto:ij@w3.org>>
https://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/

Tel: +1 718 260 9447<tel:%2B1%20718%20260%209447>







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