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Re: Linking Value Networks

From: Joseph Potvin <jpotvin@opman.ca>
Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 22:34:32 -0400
Message-ID: <CAKcXiSrmqByFKcMx0KH_oopW_dbWEfP6EE2D7PkrCuUZXfGzqw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Dan Schutzer <cyberdan250@gmail.com>
Cc: Adrian Hope-Bailie <adrian@hopebailie.com>, Web Payments IG <public-webpayments-ig@w3.org>
RE: "requires more than just a technical solution, it requires some
business innovation"

The answer is:

OASIS UBL v2.1 Universal Business Language
https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/
http://ubl.xml.org/wiki/ubl-resources
...which is currently advancing as ISO 19845
http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=66370
See also:
http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/UBL-Governance/v1.0/cn01/UBL-Governance-v1.0-cn01.html
...and for a couple of examples regarding its significance:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32014D0771&from=EN
http://eeiplatform.com/13559/towards-single-standard-e-invoicing-eu-public-procurement-6-years-wow/

Joseph Potvin
Operations Manager | Gestionnaire des opérations
The Opman Company | La compagnie Opman
jpotvin@opman.ca
Mobile: 819-593-5983



On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Dan Schutzer <cyberdan250@gmail.com> wrote:

> You make a good point - but to address this concern it requires more than
> just a technical solution, it requires some business innovation, but it can
> be addressed much in the same way that Square and PayPal can helped in
> areas where the payee is too small and not credit worthy enough to directly
> accept credit card payments.
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Adrian Hope-Bailie <adrian@hopebailie.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In working on the manifesto and the architecture document it occurred to
>> me that we (or maybe it's just me) may be missing an essential feature in
>> the payment agent model.
>>
>> If our payment agents are expected to talk to one another to negotiate
>> the terms of a payment, including the choice of payment scheme, then what
>> do we do when there is no common scheme between the participants?
>>
>> Does the payment agent give up and say: "Sorry Alice, you can't pay Bob
>> he only accepts Visa, Bitcoin and ACH and you can only pay via MasterCard
>> and XRP, transaction aborted"?
>>
>> If so then it seems we aren't solving anything. Our vision for
>> inter-connected value networks falls flat if our payment agents can only
>> facilitate a payment within existing closed networks.
>>
>> Would I be correct in saying we need to consider that in many scenarios
>> there will be one or more intermediaries that "bridge" the two networks by
>> being plugged into both? How do we fit these brokers/intermediaries into
>> our architecture?
>>
>> I think they are also payment agents of some sort but who do they
>> interface with? The sender, receiver, both? And, how does the payment flow
>> between Alice and Bob play out when this intermediary is required? At what
>> point do their agents say, "Oh dear, we don't have a common payment scheme
>> we can use, let's call Fred to act as a broker between your MasterCard and
>> my Visa accounts".
>>
>> I'd like to discuss this on the call today as I think we need to figure
>> it out and put it in the document.
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>
>


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