Re: WebID default serialization for WebID 2.x

Quoting Sebastian Hellmann (2022-01-22 00:21:49)
> Hi Jonas,
> 
> a question: I am having trouble finding the current spec. Also I can not 
> find anything about NetID. See more inline.

Current draft of the WebID spec is this: 
https://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/identity/

NetID is a superset of WebID defined by Kingsley Idehen: 
https://www.openlinksw.com/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdata.openlinksw.com%2Foplweb%2Fglossary-term%2FNetID%23this&graph=urn%3Adata%3Aopenlink%3Aglossary


> On 21.01.22 17:49, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting Sebastian Hellmann (2022-01-21 17:29:46)
> >> I would argue for a more clear definition of what the webID 
> >> publisher should/must provide, simply to prevent wiggle space.
> > So would you find it acceptable that the WebID spec states that 
> > publishers SHOULD provide JSON-LD serialization of the RDF data (and 
> > consumers SHOULD be capable of parsing JSON-LD)?
> >
> > ...since that is the position held by (at least) Kingsley Idehen and 
> > Aaron Coburn and me.
> 
> That is not enough in my opinion and I am picking up some points from 
> Aaron's email. JSON-LD is a moving target. My point is maybe not 
> making JSON-LD default/mandatory, but to make it mandatory that 
> JSON-LD does not become a pain for "builders" (see Kingsley's mail).

Oh well.

I understand your desire to simplify, I really do.

Ruben Verborgh also wrote about that desire in his latest blog entry: 
https://ruben.verborgh.org/blog/2021/12/23/reflections-of-knowledge/

He links to a single paragraph by Dan Brickley and Libby Miller, about 
that complexity issue: https://book.validatingrdf.com/bookHtml005.html

Let me quote here the first two sentences of that paragraph:

> People think RDF is a pain because it is complicated. The truth is 
> even worse. RDF is painfully simplistic, but it allows you to work 
> with real-world data and problems that are horribly complicated.


I really wish you would agree that we should not _mandate_ but only 
_recommend_ serialization of RDF.  We cannot possibly decide which 
format is "best" - only what is "more popular currently", which is 
unlikely to last.

Kingsley calls it NetID so that stuff not strictly fitting some trend 
can still be treated as "valid".

I want us to use the well-known term "WebID" for that purpose.  Kingsley 
is tired of trying make that happen.  Please don't prove him right.


 - Jonas

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