Re: Deployment, Deployment, Deployment! was: X509 and Verificable Creds: A Quick Note on WebID history - Re: All the Agents Challenge (ATAC) at ISWC 2021

On 10/08/2021 13.29, bergi wrote:
> Am 10.08.21 um 07:29 schrieb Henry Story:
>>> On 10. Aug 2021, at 00:52, bergi <bergi@axolotlfarm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 09.08.21 um 18:32 schrieb Henry Story:
>>>>> On 9. Aug 2021, at 17:34, bergi <bergi@axolotlfarm.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 27.07.21 um 20:07 schrieb Melvin Carvalho:
>>>>>> I'm hearing that you dont have time/resources to take WebID
>>>>>> any further So, would you step down as chair of the the WebID
>>>>>> community group at let others, perhaps a community effort, to
>>>>>> modernize it
>>>>>
>>>>> I strongly support that. Not leaving any comment on a proposal
>>>>> like that is even more an argument to look for another chair
>>>>> who can contribute more time for the group.

Contextomy.

>> Btw. what is the proposal that is being talked about?
> 
> The proposal is that you step down as a chair.

Inappropriate to pressure any member of a CG to step down or move on 
because they are not doing enough or the right way (TM).


>>>> The place for these discussions in on the WebID mailing list.
>>>
>>> I guess all people who are still interested in WebID are also on
>>> the RWW mailing list, but I added the WebID mailing list to this
>>> thread for the sake of completeness.
>>
>> I don’t have time to follow the discussions on the rww mailing list
>> in detail, and what I see of discussions there, I don’t find to be
>> very productive. Recently they seem to have been very aggressive
>> too, a bit like this call to remove me as chair, suddenly, like 10
>> years after the group has pretty much been quiet.
> 
> If you communicate that you can not spend much time on your chair
> position, it's just a logical conclusion to allow someone else to take
> that role.

You may have misinterpreted Henry.

The Chair (Henry) is not at a barrier to anyone contributing. If you 
have bandwidth, then offer assistance, instead of re-organising others.


>>>> Someone left some detailed improvements to the spec a few months
>>>> ago. You are welcome to make a PR using that on
>>>> https://github.com/w3c/webid and I will be happy to review that.
>>>
>>> A chair has more/different responsibilities than reviewing PRs.

You acknowledge the differences between the roles but pin it on the 
chair instead of reaching out to the authors and editors of the relevant 
work. Have you? Is it publicly documented?


>> There is no requirement for groups to go on forever either, and keep 
>> discussing issues when there is nothing to discuss. In fact *all*
>> groups that are productive have time limits.
> 
> The members may decide to turn it into a living standard. That's not a
> decision a chair can make on its own.

Contextomy. Red herring..


>> and that is why we opened a github repository to make just such 
>> changes. You can even leave issues there.
> 
> It's not about what I want to change. It's about why should one
> contribute to the WebID group if:
> 
> - the chair has no time to fulfill the role as chair
> - the chair claims there is nothing to do

The entire weight of the CG doesn't rest on the chair. Henry did not 
state that he can't or unwilling - he only made a general comment about 
focus and time limitations. Which goes without saying for everyone. If 
there is substantive work to be done, the CG can indeed continue.

I initiated the creation of the w3c/webid repository just so that we can 
in fact incorporate the feedback and take on new issues.

The chair is inviting you to make contributions.

-Sarven
https://csarven.ca/#i

Received on Tuesday, 10 August 2021 12:02:19 UTC