Re: How the father of the World Wide Web plans to reclaim it from Facebook and Google

On 22 August 2016 at 14:49, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:

> On 8/22/16 4:34 AM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
>
> Kingsley,
>
> Most of the interesting open data related platforms plug into Virtuoso.
>
>
> They support open standards. Virtuoso supports open standards.
>
>
> I think you need to step it up a bit, and am happy to help, but am unsure
> of the best way to go about it.
>
>
> I am totally unsure of what Virtuoso has to add to this matter.
>
>
> If SoLiD is Virtuoso compatible, I think the answer is bit of a
> no-brainer.  Question remains one of business systems, rather than
> exclusively Tech.
>
>
> Virtuoso supports all the open standards covered by SoLiD, and some (e.g.,
> WebID+TLS+Delegation).
>
> We need to speak clearly about these issues otherwise we have nothing but
> confusion.
>

What will be really amazing is when Solid apps are tested to run on an
openlink backend and vice versa.


>
> Kingsley
>
>
> I would encourage the development of a forum to aid with the development
> of installable solutions that have a "human rights" styled licensed, which
> in-turn is something that has been discussed in various forms, but as yet
> does not exist.
>
> Creative commons is a great precident, but isn't fit for purpose.
>
> Timh.
>
>
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2016, 1:23 AM Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/20/16 12:39 AM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In this example, multiple occupants are the point. A car has a single
>>> driver. Of course, it may have many passengers where each person has their
>>> own identity card (license, passport, or something else).
>>>
>>> My simple example:
>>>
>>> A Car is like your Browser (a Software Agent). It has a registration
>>> number.
>>>
>>> You are identified by your Driver's License.
>>>
>>> I've you skip toll payment, authorities triangulate back to you via your
>>> car registration. Even if they have a photo of you, the toll matter boils
>>> down to triangulation from the vehicle to its driver.
>>>
>>> When you reach you destination, other forms of identity become relevant
>>> e.g., use of your Driver's License as proof of age in a pub. Basically, the
>>> critical credential in this context.
>>>
>>
>> Another use-case that may provide additional 'human centric' support via
>> inferencing; might be along the lines of,
>>
>> - A Friend / Family Member / Employee has use of your vehicle at some
>> dateTime.
>> - The Vehicle is caught speeding.
>> - A lawEnforcementFine is issued that may incur driversLicenseDemitPoints
>> which in-turn may lead to lossOfLicense
>> - Your mobilePhone has GPS records + calendar information (et.al) shows
>> that you were elsewhere at the time.
>>
>> resulting in the ability to produce something like:
>> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/11/
>> chatbot-lawyer-beat-parking-fines-helping-homeless-do-not-pay
>>
>>
>> Reasoning and Inference introduce more functionality with our own
>> imaginations as the only limiting factor :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> ie: if the owner of the vehicle is intoxicated; then another person may
>>> be able to drive the vehicle on their behalf, whether or not they've
>>> previously been authorised to drive the vehicle - so long as the owner is
>>> in the car (and not in the boot) for instance...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Example:
>>>> I want to transport some goods from Boston to New York.
>>>> The scenario above includes toll booths and a final destination.
>>>>
>>>> On the highway, my car registration is the identity focal point, with
>>>> regards to toll payments. When I reach my destination, my personal identity
>>>> card (license or something else) is how I prove I am the delivery person
>>>> expected at the final destination.
>>>>
>>>
>>> isn't it simply your face? some sensor identifies something about you,
>>> and it's all very low-friction.  Question is - where do you store your
>>> permissions for how those systems work - or are they your permissions?  or
>>> something else's permissions about you?
>>>
>>>
>>> In my example I trying to illustrate how a simple highway toll booth
>>> system works. One that's oriented towards vehicles driven (or controlled
>>> by) a driver .
>>>
>>> In my example, Car registration is the credential of relevance i.e.,
>>> what the system is built around.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Another example: I drive my car to a pub. At the pub my personal ID is
>>>> what's important. En route to the pub, my Car registration is what's
>>>> important. There are two distinct scenarios requiring different kinds of
>>>> identity.
>>>>
>>>> WebID+TLS doesn't have the fidelity required for traversing the
>>>> existing highway without asking its current maintainers (Certificate
>>>> Authorities and Browser Vendors) to change infrastructure and practices.
>>>>
>>>> WebID+TLS+Delegation simply adds the "On-Behalf-Of" relationship type
>>>> to the mix (i.e., in the data) which distinguishes the user from the
>>>> software they use (drive) thereby enabling one toggle WebIDs without
>>>> browser restarts (due to TLS requirements) [1].
>>>>
>>>
>>> IMHO: Credentials add's via HTTP Signed documents containing RDF; the
>>> ability to produce another important counterpart to the identity lifecycle
>>> mix, but only if humans are active actors in the creation and management
>>> process of credentials use.
>>>
>>>
>>> You are an active participant in the creation of your Driver's License
>>> :)
>>>
>>
>> Yes. However many RDBMS systems are developed in a manner that can have
>> unintended consequences; and more-often than not, it is the vulnerable who
>> are most impacted by what is often knownIssues, considered to have
>> lowerPriority mostOften dueTo a lackOfStructuredData
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Tim.H.
>>
>>
>> SQL RDBMS engines, in basic form, are ill-equipped for this kind of task.
>> They lack the semantic fidelity for this situation.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kingsley Idehen 
>> Founder & CEO
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>>
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>
> --
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>
> Kingsley Idehen 
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