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Re: YouID for Android Released

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 12:15:19 -0400
Message-ID: <537E2297.1060207@openlinksw.com>
To: public-webid@w3.org
On 5/22/14 10:49 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
> On 5/22/14 9:45 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
>> On 2014-05-22 15:16, Andrei Sambra wrote:
>>>     You have full control of your (Web and Internet) Identity when 
>>> the following hold true:
>>>
>>>     1. You control the Identifiers that denote You
>>>     2. You control the Identity Cards that Describe You
>>>     3. You control the location of Identity Cards that Describe You
>>>     4. You control the Signature used to verify You
>>>     5. You control the control how Data is encoded for You
>>>     6. You control the ACL and Access policies for accessing stuff 
>>> created by You
>>>     6. You can achieve all of the above from any platform You choose.
>>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Well put, Kingsley.
>>
>> If we take a typical bank who identify their customers like 0563434:
>> - How are their customers supposed to change this?
>
> The customer will never change that. Here's what can happen, as a 
> result of AWWW being put to use, in this problem scenario:
>
> 1. You have an Identifier that denotes You e.g., <#anders> .
> 2. They have an Identifier that denotes You e.g., "0563434" or 
> '0563434' .
>
> You can assert the following in your own data space (e.g., anders.ttl 
> stored on a storage device in your network):
>
> <#anders> :id "0563434" .
> :id a owl:InverseFunctionalProperty.
>
>
> Your bank can assert the following in their data space (e.g., 
> customers.ttl stored on a storage device or DBMS system in their 
> network):
>
> <#anders> :id "0563434" .
> :id a owl:InverseFunctionalProperty.
>
>> - What is the message you intend to bring bank-IT?
>
> They by making deeper use of AWWW they can actually express entity 
> relations endowed with both human and machine comprehensible 
> semantics. Basically, that logic becomes part of the data definition, 
> and as a consequence, these kinds of data integration headaches 
> becomes declarative.
>
> Basically, that they can issue identifiers to customers grounded in 
> their namspace while also allowing customers to provide then with 
> identifier grounded in the customers own namespace.
>
>
> A business is never seeking to annoy its customers, intentionally. It 
> just happens inadvertently as a result of the company struggling with 
> inflexible IT infrastructure or the lack of knowledgeable resources in 
> regards to contemporary solutions to age-old problems e.g., data 
> access, integration, and management.
>
>>
>> IMO, your best (and currently only) option is trusting the bank for 
>> using the
>> information they have about you in a good way.  There's no crypto or 
>> linked data
>> solution that can solve that problem AFAICT.
>
> Of course there is, if you digest my example you realize that the 
> "Magic of Being You!" lies in the fact that you know yourself better 
> than anyone else, and that the Bank (and others that provide you with 
> services) desperately want to know you better without:
>
> 1. being a nuisance
> 2. overtly or covertly compromising your privacy.
>
> Thus, by you having your own identifier (e.g., a WebID) you ultimately 
> are the master of all the fragmented puzzle pieces that described you. 
> That piece of Magic is something you control access to via WebID-* 
> stack since they leverage RDF which is the key to N-factor 
> authentication and resource access authorization.
>
>>
>> The social web is another thing than banking.
>
> Of course it isn't. Banks (run by human) provide services to humans. 
> The moment a human being is in the mix, we have sociality in play.
>
> The Web and its architecture isn't an accident. TimBL knew what he was 
> doing when he designed it !
>>
>> Anders
>>
>>
> Links:
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/HTTP-URI.html -- understanding HTTP 
> URIs (puts the effect of an HTTP URI in the SAN of an X.509 cert. into 
> deeper context)
>
> [2] http://bit.ly/WAJGCp -- Linked Data in a single slide .
>
Fleshing out my example by fixing the URIs such that you can easily 
follow-your-nose to the relationship properties (relations) denoted by 
the predicate part of the statements below :

## Turtle Start ##
## The content of an RDF document in your data space

<#anders>
<#bankAccountNumber> 
"0563434"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#integer> .

<#bankAccountNumber>
<http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> 
<http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#InverseFunctionalProperty>;
<http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#subPropertyOf> 
<http://purl.org/dc/terms/identifier> .

## Turtle End ##

Your bank can assert the following in their data space (e.g., 
customers.ttl stored on a storage device or DBMS system in their network):

## Turtle Start ##
## The content of an RDF document in your Bank's data space

<#anders>
<#bankAccountNumber> 
"0563434"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#integer> .

<#bankAccountNumber>
<http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> 
<http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#InverseFunctionalProperty>;
<http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#subPropertyOf> 
<http://purl.org/dc/terms/identifier> .

## Turtle End ##


BTW -- Banks are looking at RDF. We do have customers that are banks, 
and their interest is always centered around the same issue: data 
access, integration, and management in regards to agility and cost 
effectiveness of current and future IT investments. Webby PKI is of huge 
benefit to them, once its understood.

-- 

Regards,

Kingsley Idehen	
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OpenLink Software
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