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Re: Releasing RWW.IO

From: Tim Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 13:39:10 +1000
Cc: public-webid@w3.org
Message-Id: <4207FBEE-6D57-4F0F-BD60-0C8C540E8ACF@gmail.com>
To: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>

On 5 May 2014, at 7:29 am, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:

> On 5/3/14 7:42 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
>> On 2014-05-03 13:19, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3 May 2014 10:08, Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com <mailto:anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>     Now I have tried it out as well including the micro-blogging.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Awesome.  I typed your name "A n d e r" into the channel finder and your webid came up after about 3 letters.  I'm now following you.
>>>  
>>>     It was cool with one exception, TLS CCA (Client Certificate Authentication)
>>> 
>>>     Logging in to http://cimba.co required me to select certificate twice and
>>>     from a pretty long list of non-WebID certificates.
>>> 
>>>     Unless W3C gets their act together and creates a web-compliant replacement
>>>     for TLS CCA, WebID won't ever catch on.  I have no faith in W3C for taking
>>>     any action on this since not even the requirements have ever been discussed.
>>>     TLS is a sacred cow.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think there's a slight distinction between WebID and WebID+TLS.
>>> 
>>> WebID itself is independent of the auth mechanism.
>> Yes, this enhancement was introduced as a "workaround".
> 
> Not a workaround, a point of fundamental clarity.
> 
> Conflating things never works. WebID as the moniker for WebID-TLS protocol was a piece of poor marketing and technology evangelism. This bug has been fixed, and we just need to make this crystal clear to everyone.
> 

WebID-TLS was the single most important entry-point to my work with W3 Community groups - through a rather significant amount of time with Henry Story helping me get my head around the basics of the groups, no-less… 

Not suggesting my ’linked-data’ story doesn’t go back further than that - started in 2000 - but i saw the merit in the practical solution WebID-TLS Provided then, and i still do now.  If there are alternatives, i think we should encourage them also.

 
> A WebID is simply an HTTP URI that denotes an Agent. That's it.
> 

i think that’s certainly an interpretation - but not the only one that’s dictated by technology eco-systems, yet, perhaps…

Web of Trust is an important element to many meritorious concepts - i see the work carried out within WebID as an important constituent of this undertaking, still in its infancy. 

IMHO

> 
>> 
>>> One hope was that mozilla labs would help with the UX, as below.
>>> 
>>> http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/identity-in-the-browser-firefox/ <http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/identity-in-the-browser-firefox/>
>> That's where it gets wrong, there is no UX problem to solve. It is the
>> underpinning TLS CCA scheme that is the sole culprit which is why Google,
>> Microsoft, Paypal, RSA, ARM (!), etc. abandoned it in favor of U2F.
> 
> Yes, and all this really means is simply this: incorporate as much of WebID-TLS into U2F as possible. That's what we will do, as our natural instinct, at OpenLink Software.
> 
> 
>> 
>> Your best option at this stage is probably defining a WebID-U2F profile.
> 
> Yep! As per my comments above.
>> 
>> Personally, I'm not overly interested in U2F, it is much simpler making
>> client-side X.509 "web-compatible" by building on the already established
>> schemes out there.
> 
> Yes, but that's a problem due to the manner in which Browsers have been implemented and the impossible politics that swirls around getting them to fix this flaw.
> 
> 
> Kingsley
>> 
>> Anders
>> 
>>> 
>>>     Fortunately Google hadn't any problems slaughtering this poor creature
>>>     when they started their U2F project which have created a hype I haven't
>>>     seen before during my 15Y+ in the "id-business".  It didn't take an
>>>     eternity either.
>>> 
>>>     Anders
>>>     grumpy old fart with a mission
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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