Re: W3C - Social Web Working Group

On 21 July 2014 18:48, Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org> wrote:

>  On 07/21/2014 12:39 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
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> On 21 July 2014 18:29, Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>
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>>  On 2014-07-21 18:23, Sandro Hawke wrote:
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>>> On 07/21/2014 12:20 PM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
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>>>> By pure accident I found this:
>>>> http://www.w3.org/Social/WG
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>>>> Anders
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>>> It's also being announced on the front page, w3.org, and in various
>>> media, today.
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>>>         -- Sandro
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>>  It doesn't appear that WebID is a part of this effort.
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>> This is somewhat strange because a Social Web without a login seems like
>> a moderately clever idea.
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>  You need to have a paradigm shift, that webid is nothing to do with
> login.  WebID facilitates a huge number of use cases, which get built out
> bit by bit.
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> For example hetrogeneous friending is something that's trivial to do with
> WebID (just add a hyperlink to your profile with the other friend's webid)
> but very hard to do in many social web systems.
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>  The value of webid is from unexpected reuse, because of the freedom it
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> At the risk of repeating myself [1], I think the WebID work is packaged
> all wrong to appeal to a wider audience, like the Social WG
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I agree with your points.  And I think the right thing to do is 'bending on
all of the above' as you point out.  This is aligned to the web axiom of
tolerance which fosters interoperability.

I'm glad that you and Arnoud are part of the effort, as you may have some
sympathies towards decentralized identity and webid.  I think Harry is very
much opposed to WebID, and Even probably neutral, or not experienced with
it.

However, the one area which I dont think is appropriate to 'bending' is
HR14, which is essentially bending AWWW.  I cant fathom how you are going
to get interoperability out of this compromise, in the same way that 5 star
linked data is interoperable.

Some plusses to come out of this will hopefully be an activity streams
vocab based on JSON LD, with some open social alignment.  This can all be
webized after it goes to REC, if it's not compliant with awww, but perhaps
it already will be.


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> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2014Jul/0023.html
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