Re: [foaf-protocols] WebID status recap?

On 14 June 2013 20:53, Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net> wrote:

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> On 14 Jun 2013, at 20:27, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
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> On 14 June 2013 19:39, Peter Williams <home_pw@msn.com> wrote:
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>> There is actually nothing untruthful in Henrys quoted statement. And, you
>> can look at it as “not intended to be unkind”. Henry’s predilition for
>> apparently crass statements is well known (but reflects his passion of what
>> he does, not some intent to be nasty). Never having met him or Melvin, I
>> can feel Melvin feels the same. Henry is Henry; and all are welcome.
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>> Now, here we have an example of semiotic signaling, formed as a result of
>> small-scale, cell-based, human networking. This is the key to
>> metadata-security models (whatever they are).
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>> Henry (I feel) knows anti-subversion cells are the key to metadata
>> protection; he just doesn't know much about effective counter-surveillance
>> or the design of comsec that supports it. But, I can feel he has a gut
>> feeling (if he can just stay away from those influencing him from UK intel).
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>> But that can change - so long as its USEFUL to huge number of people
>> living the kinds of lives we live. Like the crypto-revolution in 1993, it
>> HAS TO BE SOCIALLY USEFUL *and* be POLITICALLY CAPABLE of showing itself in
>> that role. it has to be making money, and employing people in service
>> economies, etc.
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> I had the pleasure of meeting Henry last year, and I can tell you he has a
> heart of gold, there's not an ounce of malice in his body.
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> If I may say, he doesnt always come across as well as he could do, over
> email, but I see where he's coming from.  I wont let it get in the way of
> working, as a team, to make progress :)
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> I know Melvin you like to bring people together. So here is a simple but
> difficult mission:
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> See if we can get the BrowserId folks to use an enhanced cert ontology for
> their JSON-LD
> certificate. Then we can get the BrowserID folks to agree with us on a key
> ontology published
> in a W3C namespace, and get them to move to a signed JSON-LD.
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> That would align a number of communities on the same easily achievable
> goal.
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Will try :)

Henry, get the specs online, and that will help.  Also people like your
blogs ;)


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>   Henry
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>> *From:* Nathan
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 14, 2013 10:01 AM
>> *To:* Henry Story
>> *Cc:* foaf-protocols@lists.foaf-project.org, public-webid Group
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>> Henry Story wrote:
>> >> You can add many more auth systems onto this list, as you come up with
>> them.
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>> > It's nice to see Melvin list all these new possibilities. Given that
>> > he never implements any of these protocols, and only suggests
>> > that others develop and implement them, his enthusiasm is always
>> > the same as on the first days of WebID, and clearly will still be
>> > in 10 years time.
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>> Henry, I'm surprised at you, Melvin has tirelessly promoted and
>> evangelised WebID for years, most of the people working on it,
>> implementing it, and using it, were introduced to it by Melvin. He
>> understands the web specs, the intersection of the and how they all fit
>> together in the bigger picture.
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>> What is the point in a specification if nobody is aware of it, what is
>> the point of implementations if nobody uses them? I also seem to
>> remember Melvin working on the very first implementations of the spec
>> and creating some of the first publicly available libraries for it.
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>> Your words were unkind and uncalled for, he's backed you and webid up
>> for years, as long as I've known him, and since WebIDs inception.
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