Re: [foaf-protocols] WebID status recap?

On 14 June 2013 19:39, Peter Williams <home_pw@msn.com> wrote:

> There is actually nothing untruthful in Henrys quoted statement. And, you
> can look at it as “not intended to be unkind”. Henry’s predilition for
> apparently crass statements is well known (but reflects his passion of what
> he does, not some intent to be nasty). Never having met him or Melvin, I
> can feel Melvin feels the same. Henry is Henry; and all are welcome.
>
> Now, here we have an example of semiotic signaling, formed as a result of
> small-scale, cell-based, human networking. This is the key to
> metadata-security models (whatever they are).
>
> Henry (I feel) knows anti-subversion cells are the key to metadata
> protection; he just doesn't know much about effective counter-surveillance
> or the design of comsec that supports it. But, I can feel he has a gut
> feeling (if he can just stay away from those influencing him from UK intel).
>
> But that can change - so long as its USEFUL to huge number of people
> living the kinds of lives we live. Like the crypto-revolution in 1993, it
> HAS TO BE SOCIALLY USEFUL *and* be POLITICALLY CAPABLE of showing itself in
> that role. it has to be making money, and employing people in service
> economies, etc.
>

I had the pleasure of meeting Henry last year, and I can tell you he has a
heart of gold, there's not an ounce of malice in his body.

If I may say, he doesnt always come across as well as he could do, over
email, but I see where he's coming from.  I wont let it get in the way of
working, as a team, to make progress :)


>
> Sent from Windows Mail
>
> *From:* Nathan
> *Sent:* Friday, June 14, 2013 10:01 AM
> *To:* Henry Story
> *Cc:* foaf-protocols@lists.foaf-project.org, public-webid Group
>
> Henry Story wrote:
> >> You can add many more auth systems onto this list, as you come up with
> them.
> >
> > It's nice to see Melvin list all these new possibilities. Given that
> > he never implements any of these protocols, and only suggests
> > that others develop and implement them, his enthusiasm is always
> > the same as on the first days of WebID, and clearly will still be
> > in 10 years time.
>
> Henry, I'm surprised at you, Melvin has tirelessly promoted and
> evangelised WebID for years, most of the people working on it,
> implementing it, and using it, were introduced to it by Melvin. He
> understands the web specs, the intersection of the and how they all fit
> together in the bigger picture.
>
> What is the point in a specification if nobody is aware of it, what is
> the point of implementations if nobody uses them? I also seem to
> remember Melvin working on the very first implementations of the spec
> and creating some of the first publicly available libraries for it.
>
> Your words were unkind and uncalled for, he's backed you and webid up
> for years, as long as I've known him, and since WebIDs inception.
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