- From: Jürgen Jakobitsch <j.jakobitsch@semantic-web.at>
- Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:25:03 +0100
- To: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>
- Cc: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>, public-webid@w3.org
while we are at it... a short reminder : "where would be at, without the correct procedures" :) from brazil (terry gilliam) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ5QPIfvRsIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PQ5QPIfvRsI#t=500s wkr j On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 20:57 +0100, Henry Story wrote: > This all reminds me of the Blues Brothers, a great film which I saw > again > just recently. > > > The problems start with the scene where Jake sees the light [1] after > the great > sermon by James Brown, and from there on gets way too enthusisastic > about this vision, ignoring the police reality around him. It ends > with a mega car chase with all of the cops following our > unlikely heroes who > just want to save their local church [2]. > > > So let's remember: religion is important there is no point in life > if one > cannot be enthusiastic about something, but please lets keep our feet > on the ground, make sure we avoid alerting the patrol cars ( specs) > read carefully what we are saying before sending it off, and > consider > the consequences of what we are doing before rushing all too > enthusiastically into it. Every step has consequences - indeed if it > were > not so there would be no point in making any move at all. > > > All the best, > > > Henry > > > [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCCd5Qh3OtQ > [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMagP52BWG8 > > > > On 18 Feb 2013, at 20:16, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> > wrote: > > > On 2/18/13 1:34 PM, Andrei Sambra wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Kingsley Idehen > > > <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote: > > > On 2/18/13 12:17 PM, Henry Story wrote: > > > On 18 Feb 2013, at 17:54, Kingsley Idehen > > > <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote: > > > > > > On 2/18/13 11:38 AM, Mo McRoberts wrote: > > > In which case, I'd propose raising > > > something which results in the > > > following vote (or even straw > > > poll?) in order to settle this: > > > > > > “Is it likely to be helpful to > > > some readers of the spec to > > > include a short note to explain > > > the purpose of hash URIs in the > > > examples, or is it likely to be > > > otherwise confusing?” > > > > > > If the answer to that is 'the > > > former', then we can look at > > > tweaking the wording. > > > Note: others have made the same vote > > > request, earlier in this discussion [1]. I > > > guess, those requests weren't clear > > > enough. > > > It has been amply clear that you have made this > > > proposal. > > > > > > Others are also allowed to make proposals on this > > > forum. > > > > > > Henry > > > > > > > > > Henry, > > > > > > Here is what a chair person would do, assuming they > > > understood their role: > > > > > > On receipt of my initial mail they would have simply > > > acknowledged the position and then clearly indicated the > > > cause of action to follow. Instead, in typical fashion, > > > you opted to deflect and basically trigger this thread. > > > > > > And by the way, you did ask for an issue to be opened, but > > > not in an appropriate manner as it simply came across as > > > trying awkward via process, when convenient to your cause > > > of stifling disagreement. > > > > > > What I still don't understand: > > > > > > What gives you the distinguished position to unilaterally > > > insert such a notice in the spec? What gives you the > > > distinguished privilege to throw hurdles at those that > > > oppose such unilateral actions by either the chair person > > > or an editor? > > > > > > > > > The notice was never "inserted", especially not by "exploiting the > > > editor privilege" as you have stated earlier. I find that > > > accusation very offensive and I would like to ask you to refrain > > > from doing it again. The note was there from the beginning, when > > > we split the spec last year. Please look at the mercurial history > > > if you want to confirm it. > > > > > > > > > > > > In a functional community, you (or Andrei) would actually > > > have put forth your intentions for discussion before they > > > ended up in the spec document. This didn't happen, it cost > > > you 0.00 (whatever units of timeccosts you choose) to > > > insert the notice while charging those that oppose it a > > > procedural tax. > > > > > > > > > Henry actually suggested you open an issue, and here's a link to > > > his email, which was sent 10 days ago: > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Feb/0059.html > > > > > > > > > Andrei > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** slightly updated with some typo fixes etc.. ** > > > > Andrei, > > > > And guess what, I hereby apologize for making that accusation. > > > > > Please look at the mercurial history if you want to confirm it. > > > > Yes, I had a conversation with Melvin (offline) and he unveiled this > > most vital piece of information. Now, bearing in mind my apology, I > > am sure you realize that you could have pointed that out to me in > > your earlier reply to my mail [1]. > > > > Henry: > > > > We are no strangers (as per Melvin's comments) and you know I am > > quite fond of you, bearing in mind our travels. That said, I do get > > frustrated when as a chair you don't spot opportunities to dowse > > rather than fan flames [2]. Anyway, you are not uniquely responsible > > for this thread, so I also apologize for some of the more personal > > stuff. > > > > Contrary to popular misconception, I am extremely time challenged. I > > start with a URL and work from there. I was of the (now proven > > incorrect) opinion that Andrei unilaterally added the notice. I > > didn't realize it was an artifact of the past. You could have simply > > pointed that out to me (email or other methods, which you are well > > aware of) as Melvin did. > > > > When I go out of my way to share Linked Data examples using Links I > > am doing so to cut short the pathway to understanding my points. > > Linked Data is ultimately about the power of Links etc.. I did > > provide some examples using Links to specifically demonstrate the > > nuances of this realm in relation to HTTP URI styles etc.. > > > > > > Mo: > > > > One day we'll meet in person, clearly email isn't working for us > > > > All: > > > > As eluded to by Elf and Melvin (most recently), this shouldn't be > > personal, so I apologize for my contribution to such deterioration > > in this passionate discussion. For what its worth, I've traveled far > > in this realm with Henry (he even took one the photos used in some > > of my public profile documents). As for Andrei, I love what he's > > done with http://my-profile.eu, it goes a long way to showcasing > > what's possible with WebID, in a manner that works for end-users > > especially. > > > > All I want is for WebID to succeed. The problem it solves is > > crucial. I don't want it solved in 10 years time if we can kill > > these issues right now. I want us to learn from mistakes that have > > been made in the past e.g., how RDF/XML conflation nearly destroyed > > RDF and the Semantic Web vision as a whole as a result of not paying > > attention to undue conflation etc. > > > > Links: > > > > 1. > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Feb/0034.html > > -- initial response from Andrei > > 2. > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Feb/0031.html > > -- an early response from Henry . > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Kingsley Idehen > > Founder & CEO > > OpenLink Software > > Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com > > Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen > > Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen > > Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen > > > > > > > > > > Social Web Architect > http://bblfish.net/ > > -- | Jürgen Jakobitsch, | Software Developer | Semantic Web Company GmbH | Mariahilfer Straße 70 / Neubaugasse 1, Top 8 | A - 1070 Wien, Austria | Mob +43 676 62 12 710 | Fax +43.1.402 12 35 - 22 COMPANY INFORMATION | web : http://www.semantic-web.at/ | foaf : http://company.semantic-web.at/person/juergen_jakobitsch PERSONAL INFORMATION | web : http://www.turnguard.com | foaf : http://www.turnguard.com/turnguard | g+ : https://plus.google.com/111233759991616358206/posts | skype : jakobitsch-punkt | xmlns:tg = "http://www.turnguard.com/turnguard#"
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