- From: Behdad Esfahbod <behdad@fb.com>
- Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 20:45:00 +0000
- To: "Levantovsky, Vladimir" <Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com>, Ken Lunde <lunde@adobe.com>, Roderick Sheeter <rsheeter@google.com>
- CC: "w3c-webfonts-wg (public-webfonts-wg@w3.org)" <public-webfonts-wg@w3.org>
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Meanwhile in Minneapolis... ________________________________ From: Levantovsky, Vladimir <Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:38 AM To: Ken Lunde <lunde@adobe.com>; Roderick Sheeter <rsheeter@google.com> Cc: w3c-webfonts-wg (public-webfonts-wg@w3.org) <public-webfonts-wg@w3.org> Subject: RE: WebFonts F2F details and proposed agenda - Tuesday, Sep. 3, 2019 Even when in Rome ... chicken, beef, fish or pasta are still the choice we need to make! ;-) In Japanese, this would be the choice between teppanyaki, izakaya, sushi, or soba. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Lunde [mailto:lunde@adobe.com] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:11 AM To: Roderick Sheeter <rsheeter@google.com> Cc: Levantovsky, Vladimir <Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com>; w3c-webfonts-wg (public-webfonts-wg@w3.org) <public-webfonts-wg@w3.org> Subject: Re: WebFonts F2F details and proposed agenda - Tuesday, Sep. 3, 2019 When in Rome... 😉 > On Aug 28, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Roderick Sheeter <rsheeter@google.com> wrote: > > Happy with anything Japanese :) > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:49 PM Ken Lunde <lunde@adobe.com> wrote: > Vladimir, > > My earlier suggestion was meant to be humor (though I plan to have dinner there on the 2nd). > > A co-worker told me that Teppanyaki Hamayu is good, and is located in the hotel where I am satying (aka convenient). I will be having a team dinner at Gompachi on Thursday evening. > > Regards... > > -- Ken > > > On Aug 28, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Levantovsky, Vladimir <Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com> wrote: > > > > There are other options available, like a nice Teppanyaki Hamayu place (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgoo.gl-252Fmaps-252FXXPFDdjHMLQHqVPE8-26amp-3Bdata-3D02-257C01-257Clunde-2540adobe.com-257Caaedfa24ba1146a8341f08d72befba4f-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C637026180940292240-26amp-3Bsdata-3DSrWWL-252BTaQTLT-252BGqqIr-252F-252BQ1C-252B1aqnFPuhy1KseMYDw-252BE-253D-26amp-3Breserved-3D0&d=DwIGaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=P9JUMpOWw22-3xIiv7QgGg&m=EmEBsa1UXydI9JkE4ad64prlqPlUxKkpgNkG9BLrneU&s=zJK0yIWNWML3sFC09JNKyviWxrzsDURy4oM4jHWsw94&e= ), and, surprisingly, the highest rated of them all is the Thai place "Prince And Princess" (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgoo.gl-252Fmaps-252FGbgo5PEkd61ShbDa6-26amp-3Bdata-3D02-257C01-257Clunde-2540adobe.com-257Caaedfa24ba1146a8341f08d72befba4f-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C637026180940292240-26amp-3Bsdata-3DIP0qsIVwgCa0wROEN-252FjgUuDiJhsOSxxn3wvab9NwoTI-253D-26amp-3Breserved-3D0&d=DwIGaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=P9JUMpOWw22-3xIiv7QgGg&m=EmEBsa1UXydI9JkE4ad64prlqPlUxKkpgNkG9BLrneU&s=UBsU_G6oF9VF1gkZfDj85WjlXWva_43-NMziSNXCYmo&e= ). > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Levantovsky, Vladimir > > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 3:35 PM > > To: Ken Lunde <lunde@adobe.com> > > Cc: w3c-webfonts-wg (public-webfonts-wg@w3.org) > > <public-webfonts-wg@w3.org> > > Subject: RE: WebFonts F2F details and proposed agenda - Tuesday, > > Sep. 3, 2019 > > > > This looks like a really good lunch option, the description says > > "modern fast-food joint with Hawaiian flair". I am not sure if it is > > also a good dinner choice, my knowledge of Japanese is limited by > > Google translator :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ken Lunde [mailto:lunde@adobe.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 3:25 PM > > To: Levantovsky, Vladimir <Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com> > > Cc: w3c-webfonts-wg (public-webfonts-wg@w3.org) > > <public-webfonts-wg@w3.org> > > Subject: Re: WebFonts F2F details and proposed agenda - Tuesday, > > Sep. 3, 2019 > > > > KUA`AINA → > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fww&d=DwIGaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=P9JUMpOWw22-3xIiv7QgGg&m=EmEBsa1UXydI9JkE4ad64prlqPlUxKkpgNkG9BLrneU&s=_gxp9Qd0hmytOBDXiDQu32_jGgLq-yL9LnraPiwrvHg&e= > > w.kua-aina.com%2Fshop%2F77.html&data=02%7C01%7Clunde%40adobe.com > > %7Caaedfa24ba1146a8341f08d72befba4f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178dece > > e1%7C0%7C0%7C637026180940292240&sdata=%2FK1hS4mSdIupSSG2K%2BovKA > > h%2FlX%2F7JGWm1%2B1MPWPhI3A%3D&reserved=0 > > > >> On Aug 28, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Levantovsky, Vladimir <Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com> wrote: > >> > >> Folks, > >> > >> I need your input for the last topic of the agenda – the WG dinner! > >> Looking at the available choices of restaurants nearby – we seem to have many good choices of a traditional variety: Oshima Odaiba (sushi restaurant), Garuva (looks like a Korean BBQ place), Gonpachi (Izakaya restaurant [serving meat and other stuff on skewers]), Sizzler (self-proclaimed “Japanized western restaurant” [buffet style, all you can eat]), and some other choices – all within an easy walk from the venue. I am sure many other fine places are available if we venture out into big city. > >> > >> To make an informed decision – please share you preferences (culinary, location, etc.) Also, let me know if you plan to join the WG dinner or have some other plans for the evening. > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Vlad > >> > >> > >> From: Levantovsky, Vladimir > >> [mailto:Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 3:25 PM > >> To: w3c-webfonts-wg (public-webfonts-wg@w3.org) > >> <public-webfonts-wg@w3.org> > >> Subject: WebFonts F2F details and proposed agenda - Tuesday, Sep. > >> 3, > >> 2019 > >> > >> Hello WG, > >> > >> In preparation for our face-to-face meeting next week, I’d like to share the following information for your review: > >> > >> Date and time: September 3rd, 2019, 9 AM – 5 PM Japan local time > >> (UTC: Sep. 3, 00:00 – 08:00; US Pacific: Sep. 2, 5 PM – 1 AM next > >> day; US Eastern: Sep. 2, 8 PM – 4 AM) > >> > >> Location > >> Miraikan National Museum of Emerging Science and Innovation, > >> 2-3-6 Aomi, Koto-ku, Tokyo, Japan (Tel.: +81-3-3570-9151) > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fw&d=DwIGaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=P9JUMpOWw22-3xIiv7QgGg&m=EmEBsa1UXydI9JkE4ad64prlqPlUxKkpgNkG9BLrneU&s=sGX2zS4AwdXRM5QERm_s6aX5PdOJLKSFRHODdZscBSc&e= > >> ww.miraikan.jst.go.jp%2Fen%2Fguide%2Froute%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clu > >> nde%40adobe.com%7Caaedfa24ba1146a8341f08d72befba4f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b3443 > >> 8794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637026180940302235&sdata=VTtTfq0Pp > >> K2%2BAjc5%2Ft2sCZTktEkUqZNh7pX7EhtOcVw%3D&reserved=0 > >> Room TBD – hosted by ATypI > >> > >> Attendance > >> The following WG members have confirmed their F2F attendance: > >> Vladimir Levantovsky, Roderick Sheeter, Ken Lunde, Jason Pamental, Garret Rieger, Chris Lilley, Myles Maxfield, Ned Holbrook. > >> > >> Teleconferencing: IRC and Zoom meeting facilities will be available for the duration of the meeting. > >> > >> Proposed agenda: > >> 1. Introductions / Administrivia (15 min) > >> - Charter review: timeline, deliverables [0]; > >> - Review open action items [1]; > >> - Future WG telcon scheduling; > >> 2. PFE Evaluation Report topics (~ 1 hour) > >> - Summary of work done to date: > >> Analysis of existing solutions [2, 3]; > >> Font data analysis: [4-7] (also see original email items, > >> unfortunately web archive doesn’t preserve inline images); > >> - Discussion of the proposed PFE approaches: binary patch-based, byte-range, hybrid (including modified hybrid approach) [2, 8-10] > >> 3. Planning / future work items (~ 2 hours) > >> - Performance analysis framework of proposed PFE approaches [11] (~ 30 min): > >> Languages / technologies for framework to use; > >> Repo location > >> - Simulation Planning (including implementation steps / timeline / contributors ~ 1 hour): > >> Patch-based subset font loading (including hybrid approach variants); > >> Patch & subset protocol design [12]; > >> HTTP range request font loading (font preprocessor and loading simulation) [8]; > >> Unicode-range font loading simulation; > >> - Input data set / Font corpus (< 30 min): > >> Ways to acquire input data / page view data set; > >> Font contributions > >> > >> (Lunch break ~ 1 hour) > >> > >> 4. Additional items for discussion (~ 1 hour 30 min):: > >> - Variable fonts and PFE; > >> - Value of PFE for simple & complex scripts; > >> - Harfbuzz subsetter; > >> 5. AOB > >> 6. Dinner (TBD) > >> > >> Your input and additional topic suggestions are very much appreciated! > >> Many thanks to Garret who contributed his proposed agenda items. > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Vlad > >> > >> > >> References: > >> [0] WebFonts WG charter: > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fw&d=DwIGaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=P9JUMpOWw22-3xIiv7QgGg&m=EmEBsa1UXydI9JkE4ad64prlqPlUxKkpgNkG9BLrneU&s=sGX2zS4AwdXRM5QERm_s6aX5PdOJLKSFRHODdZscBSc&e= > >> ww.w3.org%2FFonts%2FWG%2Fwebfonts-2018.html&data=02%7C01%7Clund > >> e%40adobe.com%7Caaedfa24ba1146a8341f08d72befba4f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b344387 > >> 94aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637026180940302235&sdata=GFCrW7t1QVb > >> c%2FT1kO1r3FoDtUST0uOMqcFQFJCyvpFM%3D&reserved=0 > >> [1] > >> 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