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Re: Feedback from PFWG on Touch Events 13 September 2011 draft

From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:44:41 -0500
To: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>
Cc: ext Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>, public-webevents@w3.org, List WAI Liaison <wai-liaison@w3.org>, List WAI PF <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org>, Sangwhan Moon <smoon@opera.com>
Message-ID: <20111117034441.GB4626@sonata.rednote.net>
Hello, Art:

PF discussed our response regarding disposition of our comments on Touch
Events specifications during our teleconference earlier today:

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2011OctDec/0178.html
Search for "Touch Events"

While we're agreed on the additional comment we want to make, we did not
have candidate wording to approve during the teleconference. We have
agreed to finalize that in email, but this will likely take us beyond
the Thursday deadline. While it might take us as mich as another week,
we're going to do our best to forward our acceptances and our additional
comment this week. I hope this will be acceptable, and apologize for the
dealay.

Janina


Arthur Barstow writes:
> Hi Michael - I don't believe you and/or PFWG responded to my email
> below (sent on October 13 and archived at [1]).
> 
> Since the comment deadline for LC#2 (published on October 27 [2])
> ends on November 17, I would appreciate a response by the 17th.
> 
> -Thanks, Art Barstow
> 
> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0047.html
> [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-touch-events-20111027/
> 
> On 10/13/11 10:16 AM, ext Arthur Barstow wrote:
> >Hi Michael, All
> >
> >We discussed your comments during WebEvents' 11-Oct-2011 call [1]
> >and captured your comment #1 as [LC-7] and your comment #2 as
> >[LC-6] in our LC disposition of comments document.
> >
> >* Re LC-6 - we agree additional non-normative tutorial/Primer type
> >information for the Touch Events spec would be useful. I created
> >[Action-85] to track this request. If you and/or your colleagues
> >wish to contribute to such information, please let me know.
> >However, we do not think completion of this action should block
> >this spec from progressing on the Recommendation track (and BTW,
> >the next step will be another LCWD).
> >
> >Regarding the interaction between touch events and mouse events,
> >we agree additional non-normative text would be useful and think
> >the information already included in section 7 of the spec [2] is
> >sufficient. If you have additional non-normative text you want to
> >propose, please send to public-webevents at w3.org so we can
> >review it.
> >
> >* Re LC-7 - Sangwhan agreed to address these two editorial
> >comments (add units to attribute definitions and add a definition
> >of preventDefault). I noticed he already made two related commits:
> >
> >  http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/rev/bee004414dba
> >  http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/rev/a8b5ef36b865
> >
> >and the result is reflected in the latest Editor's Draft of the spec:
> >
> >  http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/raw-file/v1/touchevents.html#attributes
> >  http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/raw-file/v1/touchevents.html#glossary
> >
> >For the purposes of comment tracking, please let us know if our
> >responses are OK or not.
> >
> >-Art Barstow
> >
> >[1] http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-webevents-minutes.html#item04
> >[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-touch-events-20110913/#mouse-events
> >[LC-6] http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/wiki/TouchEvents-LCWD-13-Sep-2011#LC-6
> >[LC-7] http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/wiki/TouchEvents-LCWD-13-Sep-2011#LC-7
> >[Action-85] http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/85
> >
> >
> >On 9/28/11 4:05 PM, ext Michael Cooper wrote:
> >>The following are comments from the Protocols and Formats
> >>Working Group on the 13 September 2011 Touch Events version 1
> >>Last Call Working Draft
> >>http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-touch-events-20110913/.
> >>Authorization to send these as PFWG comments is archived at
> >>http://www.w3.org/2011/09/28-pf-minutes#item06.
> >>
> >>Note that some PFWG members exempted themselves from our review
> >>of this specification because of patent concerns at their
> >>companies.
> >>
> >>1) If a Web application can deal with touch events, it can
> >>intercept them, and the idea is that in this case no
> >>corresponding mouse events will be dispatched. However, if the
> >>Web application is not specifically written for touch input
> >>devices, it can react to the subsequent mouse events instead.
> >>This can be a powerful paradigm, but it is not fully described
> >>in this spec. The relation between touch events and mouse events
> >>should be explained in more detail for authors who want to
> >>achieve device independence.  There is a general need for a
> >>"primer" document in the W3C space explaining the various DOM
> >>events and how they relate to each other, also providing best
> >>practices of device-specific and device-independent authoring.
> >>
> >>2) Minor editorial issues with the spec:
> >>
> >>- Section 3.1: For each of the attributes, the unit should be
> >>mentioned (device pixels, CSS pixels, etc.)
> >>
> >>- Section 7: The "preventDefault" method should be explained or
> >>listed in the glossary.
> >>
> >>For Protocols and Formats Working Group,
> >>Michael Cooper, Team Contact
> >>-- 
> >>
> >>Michael Cooper
> >>Web Accessibility Specialist
> >>World Wide Web Consortium, Web Accessibility Initiative
> >>E-mail cooper@w3.org <mailto:cooper@w3.org>
> >>Information Page <http://www.w3.org/People/cooper/>
> >>
> >

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Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
		sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net

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