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Draft minutes: 4 October 2011 call

From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 11:29:57 -0400
Message-ID: <4E8B2675.5040002@nokia.com>
To: "public-webevents@w3.org" <public-webevents@w3.org>
The draft minutes from the October 4 voice conference are available at 
the following and copied below:


WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send 
them to the public-webevents mail list before October 11 (the next voice 
conference); otherwise these minutes will be considered Approved as is.



       [1] http://www.w3.org/

                                - DRAFT -

                     Web Events WG Voice Conference

04 Oct 2011


       [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0000.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/10/04-webevents-irc


           Art_Barstow, Dzung_Tran, Olli_Pettay, Matt_Brubeck,
           Suman_Sharma, Ted_Mielczarek




      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Agenda
          2. [6]Announcements
          3. [7]Touch Event v1 Last Call
          4. [8]Issue-19: Align initTouchEvent parameters with Webkit
          5. [9]Issue-23: Add a DOM4-style constructor to create and
             initialize TouchEvent objects.
          6. [10]Issue-21 and Issue-22 ; status of Cathy's proposal
          7. [11]Feedback from PFWG on Touch Events 13 September 2011
          8. [12]Testing Touch Events
          9. [13]Any Other Business (AOB)
      * [14]Summary of Action Items

    <smaug>  mbrubeck: once I've written some more, perhaps you could
    push those to w3c hg

    <scribe>  ScribeNick: ArtB

    <scribe>  Scribe: Art

    Date: 04 October 2011

    <smaug>  yes


    AB: I submitted a draft agenda to the list on October 3
    0000.html. Any change requests?

      [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0000.html.

    <ssharma2>  +1.408.653.aabb is Suman_Sharma


    AB: any short announcements for today?

Touch Event v1 Last Call

    AB: reminder the comment deadline for the Touch Events v1 LC is
    October 11 [16]http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-Touch-Events-20110913/.
    I think the comment tracking document includes all of the comments
    submitted to date
    ... if I missed anything, please let me know

      [16] http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-Touch-Events-20110913/.
      [17] http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/wiki/TouchEvents-LCWD-13-Sep-2011

Issue-19: Align initTouchEvent parameters with Webkit

    AB: this is a standing issue
    <[18]http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/19>. Any feedback
    from Webkit community?
    ... I haven't seen anything

      [18] http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/19%3E.

    MB: I have not

    AB: this leaves us where we were last time
    ... this is related to Issue-23 ...

Issue-23: Add a DOM4-style constructor to create and initialize
TouchEvent objects.

    AB: we discussed Issue-23
    [19]http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/23 last week
    [20]http://www.w3.org/2011/09/27-webevents-minutes.html#item04 and
    there was some subsequent followup between Matt, Anne and Olli
    ... If Olli is OK with removing initTouchEvent method from TE v1,
    then I think we have consensus. A consequence of that change is a
    new LC will be needed.
    ... is that a fair characterization?

      [19] http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/23
      [20] http://www.w3.org/2011/09/27-webevents-minutes.html#item04
      [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011JulSep/0092.html

    OP: it's OK with removing it

     from v1

     And we need to do something about creating events in v2

     But this allows v1 to proceed

     and we can continue to work on v2

     This also means all testing will need to be manual

    AB: it seems like we have consensus on Issue-23 to remove

     are there any objections to removing it?

    AB: Doug of course has an opinion on this

     and I believe he now agrees with removing initTouchEvent from v1

     I know he isn't here

    MB: yes, I think Doug agreed with this proposal to remove during the
    last call

    AB: then let's record a resolution and close Issue-23

    RESOLUTION: the initTouchEvent method will be removed in LC1 (and
    this means a new LC will be needed)

    AB: anything else on that issue?

Issue-21 and Issue-22 ; status of Cathy's proposal

    MB: we need an action to remove that method

     I can't do it this week

    AB: can anyone else take an action to remove that method

    <scribe>  ACTION: brubeck remove the initTouchEvent method from v1
    spec [recorded in

    <trackbot>  Created ACTION-78 - Remove the initTouchEvent method from
    v1 spec [on Matt Brubeck - due 2011-10-11].

    AB: last week we discussed Issue-21
    [23]http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/21 and Issue-22
    [24]http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/22 and Cathy's
    proposals to address the issues
    ... I believe we agreed that if no one expressed any concerns that
    Cathy would submit a changeset based on her proposal
    ... Cathy isn't here today

      [23] http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/21
      [24] http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/22
      [25] http://www.w3.org/2011/09/27-webevents-minutes.html#item05

     I don't know here status

    AB: any comments on Cathy's proposal?

    <scribe>  ACTION: cathy to commit her proposals for Issue-21 and
    Issue-22 [recorded in

    <trackbot>  Created ACTION-79 - Commit her proposals for Issue-21 and
    Issue-22 [on Cathy Chan - due 2011-10-11].

Feedback from PFWG on Touch Events 13 September 2011 draft

    AB: Last week WAI's PFWG submitted some comments
    0091.html for the TE LC. I captured those as LC-6
    11#LC-6 and LC-7
    ... the first comment (LC-7) is about the need for additional text
    re the relation between touch events and mouse events. And LC-6 is a
    request for some editorial questions.
    ... I don't think there are any "Issues" per se but rather some
    follow up actions to address the comments.
    ... has anyone read the comments from PFWG?

      [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011JulSep/0091.html
      [28] http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/wiki/TouchEvents-LCWD-13-Sep-2011#LC-6
      [29] http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/wiki/TouchEvents-LCWD-13-Sep-2011#LC-7

    MB: not yet

    AB: encourage everyone to followup on the mail list

     that is, respond to Michael Cooper's email

Testing Touch Events

    AB: we have a few actions related to touch event testing Action-74,
    Action-66 and Action-72. Earlier today Olli replied to his Action-74
    [30]http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/74 via
    ... I haven't looked at Olli's input

      [30] http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/74
      [31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0001.html

    OP: I looked at what Matt had done

     and added some tests for multiple touches

     We will need a lot more tests

     But this is a start

     I can add some more later

    AB: thanks very much!

    OP: I am using Android

     and the default browser and it passes the tests

     The default browser on Android uses webkit

     The default browser and Opera browser both pass all of the tests I

    AB: that's really helpful
    ... Tran has Action-66:<Create multitouch test cases for the Touch
    Events spec>  that is blocked on Olli. Perhaps Tran could review what
    Olli created.

    DT: I did look at it this morning

     I will copy it and then expand on it

     and try to do something this week

    AB: ok, that's great
    ... anything else on testing for today?

    OP: once we have more tests for multitouch

     we should move them to W3C

     My tests are not in W3C space now

     But they need to move

    AB: if you have any issues with that, Doug can help you (or perhaps
    me ;-)

Any Other Business (AOB)

    AB: we will have a call next week if there are sufficient topics
    ... encourage everyone to continue to use the Public mail list
    ... anything else for today?
    ... meeting adjourned

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: brubeck remove the initTouchEvent method from v1 spec
    [recorded in
    [NEW] ACTION: cathy to commit her proposals for Issue-21 and
    Issue-22 [recorded in

    [End of minutes]
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