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Re: [Proposal]: Set origin-wide policies via a manifest.

From: Brad Hill <hillbrad@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:35:47 +0000
Message-ID: <CAEeYn8gjcHMtchLBE=tCEc_x2Qp2pXqLM2g6WEZpc8eg94eD0A@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Mike O'Neill" <michael.oneill@baycloud.com>, Mike West <mkwst@google.com>
Cc: public-webappsec@w3.org
I was pondering the same thing on the bus this morning.  If the server
reports a hash of the policy it thinks should apply, the client can
download if it needs, or not if cached.  (Though I still think a capability
indication header is a good idea.)

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 2:07 AM Mike O'Neill <michael.oneill@baycloud.com>
wrote:

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> Unless the browser indicates it somehow the user has no way of knowing
> which origin is using the origin-policy request header to fingerprint, so
> would be have to periodically purge all of them.
> Cookie handling already has UI for informing users, and APIs for
> extensions so that can do it, and they also have reasonably transparent
> expiry attributes.
> Cache based storage e.g. ETag/If-None-Else tends not to. I suppose this
> could be asked for in the spec but is there a need for that complexity? Why
> do we need the request header anyway. If the manifest hash is in the
> response header would there be any point in bouncing it back in the next
> request?
>
> mikeo
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>
> From: Mike West [mailto:mkwst@google.com]
> Sent: 26 July 2016 18:34
> To: Mike O'Neill <michael.oneill@baycloud.com>
> Cc: public-webappsec@w3.org
> Subject: Re: [Proposal]: Set origin-wide policies via a manifest.
>
> Hi Mike!
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Mike O'Neill <michael.oneill@baycloud.com>
> wrote:
> This is good, but it would help mitigate the privacy risk if the
> Origin-Policy request header value was limited in entropy, i.e. some small
> number of characters.
>
> How would this help? The tracking capability exposed is exactly the same
> as cookies (less, if you want to be nit-picky, since the character set is
> more limited). Reducing the entropy contained in this key while leaving the
> entropy contained in those keys over there the same is not a net positive.
>
> How many versions of the origin manifest are there likely to be?
>
> Not many. However, one of the ideas floated in
> https://github.com/mikewest/origin-policy/issues/1 was to enforce
> integrity checks on the manifest by using it's hash as the name. That seems
> like a pretty good idea to me.
>
> Relying on users periodically deleting their entire cookie store to stop
> fingerprinting is not good.
>
> If the user isn't wiping the cookies stored for an origin, fingerprinting
> is unnecessary, because the cookies are right there.
>
> "entire" jumped out at me, though: perhaps the language wasn't clear?
> https://github.com/mikewest/origin-policy/commit/c5ed6d6f2e96e997d0bcf0d9280a978b35241865
> is closer to what I thought I wrote.
>
> - -mike
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