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Re: HTML Imports and CSP

From: Jim Manico <jim.manico@owasp.org>
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 10:10:50 -0700
Message-ID: <3686289678250807554@unknownmsgid>
To: Crispin Cowan <crispin@microsoft.com>
Cc: Mike West <mkwst@google.com>, Devdatta Akhawe <dev.akhawe@gmail.com>, Justin Fagnani <justinfagnani@google.com>, "public-webappsec@w3.org" <public-webappsec@w3.org>
This should not be so. Make it easier for coders with better franeworks.
Systems like .NET LINQ allow the mixing and does the parameterization
behind the hood. Also consider autoescaping templates.

Jim Manico
(808) 652-3805

On Apr 2, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Crispin Cowan <crispin@microsoft.com> wrote:

  My point was that mixing code with data is always bad for security, but
that doesn’t always make it the wrong choice, sometimes other
considerations are more important. But I do not think we should mix code
with data on the basis of “we do it elsewhere, so what the heck” J

*From:* Jim Manico [mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org <jim.manico@owasp.org>]
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2015 10:05 AM
*To:* Crispin Cowan
*Cc:* Mike West; Devdatta Akhawe; Justin Fagnani; public-webappsec@w3.org
*Subject:* Re: HTML Imports and CSP

There are edge cases where inline script is necessary, like when
dynamically loading JS based on certain conditions. Those edge cases are
rare and only needed for extreme   performance tuning.


Jim Manico


(808) 652-3805

On Apr 2, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Crispin Cowan <crispin@microsoft.com> wrote:

 Mixing code inline with data is **always** a bad idea. The web never
should have allowed inline script, but it is too late to fix that now. The
best we can do is avoid creating **new** opportunities to mix code with

So, I would block inline event handlers just on principle, unless there is
some compelling compat need.

*From:* Mike West [mailto:mkwst@google.com <mkwst@google.com>]
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 1, 2015 11:50 PM
*To:* Devdatta Akhawe
*Cc:* Justin Fagnani; public-webappsec@w3.org
*Subject:* Re: HTML Imports and CSP

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 6:32 AM, Devdatta Akhawe <dev.akhawe@gmail.com>

> Sure, why not? I'm not a huge fan of inline event handlers, but I don't
> think that allowing them (and inline script) in Imports actually increases
> the risk a developer exposes herself to. Do you think that's an incorrect
> analysis?

There is a huge difference in risk of XSS in inline event handlers and
inline scripts. Different types of contexts, nested contexts etc all
are issues. *cough* I think Joel wrote a paper about this :D

You're not wrong there; inline event handlers are bad and they should feel

That said, is the risk really different in kind from just allowing plain
old inline script that executes directly? It doesn't seem to be. Allowing
one without allowing the other seems capricious.

> There's a difference between supporting a new feature which isn't
> covered by any directive, and changing the meaning of a directive that
> already covers a featue.

Again, because of the DOMXSS risk (even just injecting a new inline script
without nonce), I think not using a new directive messes up the
security invariants for any CSP adopters.

If we move imports from `script-src` to `import-src`, then sites that
currently disallow imports will no longer have that protection. That seems

What's your ideal solution?

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