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Re: Proposal: Prefer secure origins for powerful new web platform features

From: Yan Zhu <yan@eff.org>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 16:38:25 -0700
Message-ID: <53AE0071.5040802@eff.org>
To: Chris Palmer <palmer@google.com>, "public-webappsec@w3.org" <public-webappsec@w3.org>, blink-dev <blink-dev@chromium.org>, security-dev <security-dev@chromium.org>, dev-security@lists.mozilla.org
On 06/27/2014 03:55 PM, Chris Palmer wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Apologies in advance to those of you who will get this more than once,
> due to the cross-posting. I wanted to get this to a wide audience, to
> gather feedback and have a discussion involving as many interested
> parties as possible (browser vendors, web developers, security
> engineers, privacy advocates, et al.).
> 
> * Proposal
> 
> The Chrome Security team and I propose that, for new and particularly
> powerful web platform features, browser vendors tend to prefer to make
> the the feature available only to secure origins by default.
> 
> * Definitions
> 
> "Particularly powerful" would mean things like: features that handle
> personally-identifiable information, features that handle high-value
> information like credentials or payment instruments, features that
> provide the origin with control over the UA's trustworthy/native UI,
> access to sensors on the user's device, or generally any feature that
> we would provide a user-settable permission or privilege to. Please
> discuss!
> 
> "Particularly powerful" would NOT mean things like: new rendering and
> layout features, CSS selectors, innocuous JavaScript APIs like
> showModalDialog, or the like. I expect that the majority of new work
> in HTML5 fits in this category. Please discuss!
> 
> "Secure origins" are origins that match at least one of the following
> (scheme, host, port) patterns:
> 
>     * (https, *, *)
>     * (wss, *, *)
>     * (*, localhost, *)
>     * (*, 127/8, *)
>     * (*, ::1/128, *)
>     * (file, *, —)
>     * (chrome-extension, *, —)
> 
> This list may be incomplete, and may need to be changed. Please discuss!

What are your thoughts on private address space IPs?
https://w3c.github.io/webappsec/specs/mixedcontent/#private-address-space

An example of this would be a router admin interface on 192.168.1.1 that
can be accessed either over plain HTTP or HTTPS with a self-signed cert,
which offers little protection from network attackers anyway.

> 
> A bug to define “secure transport” in Blink/Chromium:
> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=362214
> 
> * For Example
> 
> For example, Chrome is going to make Service Workers available only to
> secure origins, because it provides the origin with a new, higher
> degree of control over a user's interactions with the origin over an
> extended period of time, and because it gives the origin some control
> over the user's device as a background task.
> 
> Consider the damage that could occur if a user downloaded a service
> worker script that had been tampered with because they got it over a
> MITM'd or spoofed cafe wifi connection. What should have been a nice
> offline document editor could be turned into a long-lived spambot, or
> maybe even a surveillance bot. If the script can only run when
> delivered via authenticated, integrity-protected transport like HTTPS,
> that particular risk is significantly mitigated.
> 
> * Background
> 
> Legacy platforms/operating systems have a 1-part principal: the user.
> When a user logs in, they run programs that run with the full
> privilege of the user: all of a user’s programs can do anything the
> user can do on all their data and with all their resources. This has
> become a source of trouble since the rise of mobile code from many
> different origins. It has become less and less acceptable for a user’s
> (e.g.) word processor to (e.g.) read the user’s private SSH keys.
> 
> Modern platforms have a 2-part security principal: the user, and the
> origin of the code. Examples of such modern platforms include (to
> varying degrees) the web, Android, and iOS. In these systems, code
> from one origin has (or, should have) access only to the resources it
> creates and which are explicitly given to it.
> 
> For example, the Gmail app on Android has access only to the user’s
> Gmail and the system capabilities necessary to read and write that
> email. Without an explicit grant, it does not have access to resources
> that other apps (e.g. Twitter) create. It also does not have access to
> system capabilities unrelated to email. Nor does it have access to the
> email of another user on the same computer.
> 
> In systems with 2-part principals, it is crucial to strongly
> authenticate both parts of the principal, not just one part.
> (Otherwise, the system essentially degrades into a 1-part principal
> system.) This is why, for example, both Android and iOS require that
> every vendor (i.e. origin) cryptographically sign its code. That way,
> when a user chooses to install Twitter and to give Twitter powerful
> permissions (such as access to the device’s camera), they can be sure
> that they are granting such capability only to the Twitter code, and
> not to just any code.
> 
> By contrast, the web has historically made origin authentication
> optional. On the web, origins are defined as having 3 parts: (scheme,
> host, port), e.g. (HTTP, example.com, 80) or (HTTPS, mail.google.com,
> 443). Many origins use unauthenticated schemes like HTTP, WS, or even
> FTP.
> 
> Granting permissions to unauthenticated origins is, in the presence of
> a network attacker, equivalent to granting the permissions to any
> origin. The state of the internet is such that we must indeed assume
> that a network attacker is present.
> 
> * Thank You For Reading This Far!
> 
> We welcome discussion, critique, and cool new features!
> 
> 


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Yan Zhu  <yan@eff.org>, <yan@torproject.org>
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