Re: CfC to make Screen Wake Lock, DeviceOrientation Event, and Geolocation joint deliverables

   hi,

On 2024/03/28 13:32, Marcos Caceres wrote:
> Hi Anssi,
> 
> The charter of both working groups already state that these are joint deliverables, so no CFC is (or was!) needed to publish.
> 
> The Echidna stuff is just a formality - both groups already operate on “auto-publish” basis, and have for years. Even Contact Picker (which was already a joint deliverable) is auto-published using DAS’s Decision URL [1], without a CFC from WebApps (at least that I remember).
> 
> We would only do a CFC if we wanted to advance a joint deliverable to another Status. If we want to do that, then that’s what we need to discuss and get agreement on across the two groups.
> 
> I don’t see any blockers to continuing to publish Screen Wake Lock and Orientation Event as regular Working Drafts. We can, and should, just do that ASAP to allow us to continue keeping those specs fresh on /TR/.

   I originally thought that there should be a resolution to bring new specifications
into WebApps WG as its deliverables (of course, all are joint deliverables and originally
developed within DAS WG), but I failed to find that.
   Included in approved charter should be one sort of decision (not of WG although), but
I am quite not sure whether no WG decision could match with various considerations like
IPP etc., and I suppose that should be some kind of Process bug or missing point...
# of course, as IPP side WebApps was required rejoining after last rechartering and no
issue, and AC review is due over all member organizations including WG participating
organizations, but there is no requirement to get reviews from every participating
organizations...

   I understand I should point this when we published Contact Picker API FPWD, so I am
quite sorry on this point that I have published only with CfC resolution of DAS WG...


> It seems we just need a plan to revert Geolocation back to Working Draft so we can update it (the "Updatable Rec" process is no fun, we should ditch that). Let’s take that up separately.

   I thought I have found CR edition of geolocation published after REC for updates, but
I could not get any pointer now (and I've lost in my browser history)... Could someone
kindly give me a pointer for CR version?
history does not have one: https://www.w3.org/standards/history/geolocation/


> [1] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2021May/0008.html

> 
> 
>> On 27 Mar 2024, at 1:45 AM, Kostiainen, Anssi <anssi.kostiainen@intel.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi DAS+WebApps WGs,
>> +Atsushi,
>>
>> This Call for Consensus fails.
>>
>> Reason: It has been brought to our attention [1] (in response to [2]) that the current Success Criteria of the WebApps WG Charter contains significant errors and substantive changes are expected requiring Advisory Committee review. These proposed changes impact how the envisioned joint group can advance its joint deliverables on the Recommendation Track.
>>
>> We are seeking further clarification and will issue a new CfC as soon as possible and provide you with any new information that may emerge to assist you in informed decision-making on this topic.
>>
>> Thank you for your understanding.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Anssi
>>
>> [1] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2024Mar/0018.html

>> [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2024Mar/0017.html

>>
>>
>>> On 18. Mar 2024, at 16.16, Kostiainen, Anssi <anssi.kostiainen@intel.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi DAS+WebApps WGs,
>>>
>>> This is a Call for Consensus to make Screen Wake Lock [1], DeviceOrientation Event [2], and Geolocation [3] specifications joint deliverables between the Devices and Sensors Working Group and Web Applications Working Group and to continue use the automated publication system (“Echidna”) for these specifications after they have been adopted as joint deliverables.
>>>
>>> This CfC is the record of the group decision for both the groups.
>>>
>>> Please let us know by 26 March 2024 if you have any comments or questions.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -Anssi
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.w3.org/TR/screen-wake-lock/

>>> [2] https://www.w3.org/TR/orientation-event/

>>> [3] https://www.w3.org/TR/geolocation/

>>>
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