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Re: FPWD of Pointer Lock 2.0

From: Florian Bösch <pyalot@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 19:41:16 +0200
Message-ID: <CAOK8ODhbCwLcNjZPkP_XfNmHuPobkOAcWTbb7H3LQJ4RsZ13bA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Vincent Scheib <scheib@google.com>
Cc: Léonie Watson <tink@tink.uk>, public-webapps WG <public-webapps@w3.org>
ESC is actually a common key to trigger a menu in many games, and it
usually does not mean exit fullscreen.

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Florian Bösch <pyalot@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Vincent Scheib <scheib@google.com> wrote:
>
>> My suggestion is to use something other than ESC to exit pointer lock via
>> javascript, and thus not exit fullscreen. E.g. the 'f' key, '~', space bar,
>> 'q', etc.
>>
>
> You cannot override ESC, and the UA informs the user that to regain his
> cursor, he should press ESC. It's inevitable that the user will actually do
> so, since he's told to do so. From an UX point of view, designing an info
> box explaining to the user to avoid pressing ESC (and ignore that other
> info box), because that may not be what he wants to do, and instead press
> another key, while another info box is hovering on screen telling him to
> press  ESC sounds really bad, but I'm not expert, so... why don't you ask
> an UX expert how confusing that will be to a user?
>
>
>> The reason ESC was specified to exit both was to satisfy concerns of
>> users not knowing how to exit these features. The concept of stacking the
>> permissions adds conceptual complexity.
>>
>> Essentially, we believed there would be many users confused by a page
>> entering both fullscreen and pointer lock, wanting to get out, trying ESC
>> and not having fullscreen exit. They barely understand that pointer lock
>> was also entered and is now exited. They may not understand the difference
>> between an application drawn cursor and the now visible system cursor. They
>> may not think to keep repeating pressing ESC.
>>
>
> Here's an example of a game (counter-strike) coming from a first-person
> control to using a pointer based modal to operate a menu and then go back
> to the first-person control: https://youtu.be/u8YbYBZtbAs?t=442 . The
> menu is triggered by the key B. However counter-strike does not have to
> deal with the fact that whenever a user returns from the menu to the
> first-person view, that a black box is drawn over their viewport informing
> the user to press ESC...
>
>
>
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