Re: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

Nick, while we're waiting for Léonie to lecture you on
participation-criteria,  etiquette, and social competence, let me call on
the late, great, Rodney Dangerfield to proxy my response: -

*Judge Smails*: You have worn out your welcome, sir!
*Czervik*: Is that so? Who made you Pope of this dump?
*Judge Smails*: Bushwood...a "dump"? Well, I'll guarantee you'll never be a
member here!
*Czervik*: Are you kidding? You think I'd join this crummy "snobatorium"?
Why, this whole place sucks!

Now that I think about it I haven't come across a black face here yet, very
few females, and not many Jewish names. Maybe it's still "too soon" for
Reformation references in the W3C Country Club? (BTW. On the FTF-jolly
stakes the IETF Club kicks your arse with Honolulu and Yokohama versus your
Sapporo and Lisbon.)

> Fresh start? If you make a good case, without calling the w3c a mafia,
people might actually engage this more seriously.

Rest assured, I am pulling out of these forums. (I'm just happy to know
that a softer gentler place continues to exist somewhere)

I've found someone who has more credibility and form here and is willing to
take the idea forward. Background GeoLocation was a massive issue before I
pinned my colours too it and is too important to the HTML5 Web App future
to be tarnished by collateral bigotry and prejudice.

But before I go, why do you all look and sound the same?

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Nick Dugger <nick.dugger1@gmail.com> wrote:

> Listen, you may not be here to make friends, but if you want to incite
> change, you might try playing nicely. If you just want results, you'll have
> greater success without your sarcasm and superiority complex.
>
> Fresh start? If you make a good case, without calling the w3c a mafia,
> people might actually engage this more seriously. As of right now, I can't
> speak for everyone, but I definitely don't like your tone.
>
> Thanks,
> Nick Dugger
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 1:52 AM Anders Rundgren <
> anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-03-17 07:12, Richard Maher wrote:
>> >> An even more powerful (but also ignored possibility) would be
>> COMBINING the power
>> >> of the Web and App worlds instead of fighting religious wars ("the Web
>> is great"),
>> >> where there are no winners, only lost opportunities.
>> >
>> > That's what plugins were for wan't it? And I still cry every night over
>> the death of Applets :-(
>> > (A single mutliplexed (static) TCP/IP full-duplex connection per
>> user-agent!)
>>
>> Plugins were deprecated which (IMO) was OK since they had serious
>> security issues, what's
>> less satisfactory is removing features without consider some kind of
>> reasonable replacement.
>>
>> Several other somewhat related features are currently also subject to
>> removal/deprecation.
>>
>>
>> >> It gets worse...if you are the Web tech leader then you are apparently
>> free taking
>> >> this "shortcut" (some people would rather characterize this as an
>> intelligent use
>> >> of available resources and competences), and get away with it as well:
>> >> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/issues/42#issuecomment-166705416
>> >
>> > C'mon Anders, do you blame them?
>>
>> Well, Google more or less wrote the "Grand Plan" and now they are
>> defecting from it,
>> while leaving everybody else with the old (non-working) plan and
>> _severely_disadvantaged_.
>>
>>
>> > Faced with the intractability, self-interest, and narcissism
>> surrounding
>>  > the IOC^h^h^hW3C Gordian knot, are you really surprised that  someone
>> owning
>>  > the implementation will pull out their sword and opt for results over
>> process?
>>
>> I (naively) thought that maybe _somebody_else_ (with more influence than a
>> non-member like me), would be interested in taking a closer look at this
>> powerful capability.  I only seek a constructive discussion on what to do
>> now.
>>
>> Anders
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Anders Rundgren <
>> anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com <mailto:anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     On 2016-03-17 06:00, Richard Maher wrote:
>> >
>> >         Hi Patrick (Congratulations on today) Technical Point follows: -
>> >
>> >         On a merit-based resource allocation basis, the two most
>> fundamental, essential,
>> >
>> >     > and absolutely necessary HTML5 Web-App feature enhancements are: -
>> >
>> >
>> >         1) Background GPS device/user tracking support
>> >         2) Push API 1:M broadcast capability
>> >
>> >         These are enabling technologies that will catapult HTML5 Web
>> Apps into the
>> >
>> >     > Native App heartland and single-handedly alter the
>> development-tool and deployment
>> >     > strategies for Mobile App vendors around the world.
>> >
>> >     An even more powerful (but also ignored possibility) would be
>> COMBINING the power
>> >     of the Web and App worlds instead of fighting religious wars ("the
>> Web is great"),
>> >     where there are no winners, only lost opportunities.
>> >
>> >     It gets worse...if you are the Web tech leader then you are
>> apparently free taking
>> >     this "shortcut" (some people would rather characterize this as an
>> intelligent use
>> >     of available resources and competences), and get away with it as
>> well:
>> >     https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/issues/42#issuecomment-166705416
>> >
>> >     Anders
>> >
>> >
>> >         The reason these features do not appear on the W3C horizon is
>> that they show-case online-first and are anathema to the Offline-First
>> Mafia that is currently setting the agenda and feathering its own nest.
>> >
>> >         Technically, I have to admit to having absolutely no idea how a
>> W3C performance review would be conducted or how ROI on a given
>> contributor's input could be measured. I am a simple man who just needs a
>> couple more tools in the box in order to deliver the killer Web Apps my
>> users are begging for.
>> >
>> >         Where I come from, and certainly from my experience in London
>> finance, it's all about getting the job done! You can have two heads and be
>> the most obnoxious Maher in the world but you're paid to do a job and get
>> around the Sir Humphrey Appleby speed humps on the road the progress in
>> order to do it.
>> >
>> >         I'm not here to make friends or see how many followers I can
>> get on Twitter, and I apologize for being the only one without an original
>> selfie of myself looking wistfully off camera, but I'm motivated by results
>> and not married to the process.
>> >
>> >         HTML5 - Web Apps "The journey is *NOT* the destination!
>> >
>> >         On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Patrick H. Lauke <
>> redux@splintered.co.uk <mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk> <mailto:
>> redux@splintered.co.uk <mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk>>> wrote:
>> >
>> >              On 16/03/2016 04:46, Richard Maher wrote:
>> >              ...
>> >
>> >                  Anyway, if the decorum police will agree to stay their
>> truncheons for a
>> >                  moment longer and indulge my use of satire, parody,
>> and metaphor, in
>> >                  making an extremely valid technical point,
>> >
>> >              ...
>> >
>> >              Or you could just make your valid technical point, without
>> resorting to your sarcastic tone which, frankly, is quite grating and is
>> doing you no favors in getting at least some of the readership on this
>> list to even want to engage in your argument.
>> >
>> >              P
>> >              --
>> >              Patrick H. Lauke
>> >
>> >         www.splintered.co.uk <http://www.splintered.co.uk> <
>> http://www.splintered.co.uk> | https://github.com/patrickhlauke
>> >         http://flickr.com/photos/redux/ | http://redux.deviantart.com
>> >              twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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