Re: HTML5's Offline-first Council of Trent

Listen, you may not be here to make friends, but if you want to incite
change, you might try playing nicely. If you just want results, you'll have
greater success without your sarcasm and superiority complex.

Fresh start? If you make a good case, without calling the w3c a mafia,
people might actually engage this more seriously. As of right now, I can't
speak for everyone, but I definitely don't like your tone.

Thanks,
Nick Dugger

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 1:52 AM Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 2016-03-17 07:12, Richard Maher wrote:
> >> An even more powerful (but also ignored possibility) would be COMBINING
> the power
> >> of the Web and App worlds instead of fighting religious wars ("the Web
> is great"),
> >> where there are no winners, only lost opportunities.
> >
> > That's what plugins were for wan't it? And I still cry every night over
> the death of Applets :-(
> > (A single mutliplexed (static) TCP/IP full-duplex connection per
> user-agent!)
>
> Plugins were deprecated which (IMO) was OK since they had serious security
> issues, what's
> less satisfactory is removing features without consider some kind of
> reasonable replacement.
>
> Several other somewhat related features are currently also subject to
> removal/deprecation.
>
>
> >> It gets worse...if you are the Web tech leader then you are apparently
> free taking
> >> this "shortcut" (some people would rather characterize this as an
> intelligent use
> >> of available resources and competences), and get away with it as well:
> >> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/issues/42#issuecomment-166705416
> >
> > C'mon Anders, do you blame them?
>
> Well, Google more or less wrote the "Grand Plan" and now they are
> defecting from it,
> while leaving everybody else with the old (non-working) plan and
> _severely_disadvantaged_.
>
>
> > Faced with the intractability, self-interest, and narcissism  surrounding
>  > the IOC^h^h^hW3C Gordian knot, are you really surprised that  someone
> owning
>  > the implementation will pull out their sword and opt for results over
> process?
>
> I (naively) thought that maybe _somebody_else_ (with more influence than a
> non-member like me), would be interested in taking a closer look at this
> powerful capability.  I only seek a constructive discussion on what to do
> now.
>
> Anders
>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Anders Rundgren <
> anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com <mailto:anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >     On 2016-03-17 06:00, Richard Maher wrote:
> >
> >         Hi Patrick (Congratulations on today) Technical Point follows: -
> >
> >         On a merit-based resource allocation basis, the two most
> fundamental, essential,
> >
> >     > and absolutely necessary HTML5 Web-App feature enhancements are: -
> >
> >
> >         1) Background GPS device/user tracking support
> >         2) Push API 1:M broadcast capability
> >
> >         These are enabling technologies that will catapult HTML5 Web
> Apps into the
> >
> >     > Native App heartland and single-handedly alter the
> development-tool and deployment
> >     > strategies for Mobile App vendors around the world.
> >
> >     An even more powerful (but also ignored possibility) would be
> COMBINING the power
> >     of the Web and App worlds instead of fighting religious wars ("the
> Web is great"),
> >     where there are no winners, only lost opportunities.
> >
> >     It gets worse...if you are the Web tech leader then you are
> apparently free taking
> >     this "shortcut" (some people would rather characterize this as an
> intelligent use
> >     of available resources and competences), and get away with it as
> well:
> >     https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/issues/42#issuecomment-166705416
> >
> >     Anders
> >
> >
> >         The reason these features do not appear on the W3C horizon is
> that they show-case online-first and are anathema to the Offline-First
> Mafia that is currently setting the agenda and feathering its own nest.
> >
> >         Technically, I have to admit to having absolutely no idea how a
> W3C performance review would be conducted or how ROI on a given
> contributor's input could be measured. I am a simple man who just needs a
> couple more tools in the box in order to deliver the killer Web Apps my
> users are begging for.
> >
> >         Where I come from, and certainly from my experience in London
> finance, it's all about getting the job done! You can have two heads and be
> the most obnoxious Maher in the world but you're paid to do a job and get
> around the Sir Humphrey Appleby speed humps on the road the progress in
> order to do it.
> >
> >         I'm not here to make friends or see how many followers I can get
> on Twitter, and I apologize for being the only one without an original
> selfie of myself looking wistfully off camera, but I'm motivated by results
> and not married to the process.
> >
> >         HTML5 - Web Apps "The journey is *NOT* the destination!
> >
> >         On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Patrick H. Lauke <
> redux@splintered.co.uk <mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk> <mailto:
> redux@splintered.co.uk <mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk>>> wrote:
> >
> >              On 16/03/2016 04:46, Richard Maher wrote:
> >              ...
> >
> >                  Anyway, if the decorum police will agree to stay their
> truncheons for a
> >                  moment longer and indulge my use of satire, parody, and
> metaphor, in
> >                  making an extremely valid technical point,
> >
> >              ...
> >
> >              Or you could just make your valid technical point, without
> resorting to your sarcastic tone which, frankly, is quite grating and is
> doing you no favors in getting at least some of the readership on this
> list to even want to engage in your argument.
> >
> >              P
> >              --
> >              Patrick H. Lauke
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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