- From: Tobie Langel <tobie@fb.com>
- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 19:27:57 +0000
- To: Mounir Lamouri <mounir@lamouri.fr>, "public-webapps@w3.org" <public-webapps@w3.org>
On 6/5/12 4:00 PM, "Mounir Lamouri" <mounir@lamouri.fr> wrote: >On 05/31/2012 03:28 PM, Tobie Langel wrote: >> I'm probably missing something here, but notifications don't seem to be >> going through a system- / browser-wide notification panel from which the >> user can decide whether or not to navigate to an application. In other >> words, it looks like we're considering server --> app push >>notifications, >> rather than server --> user push notifications. >> >> If that's case, how are we planning to handle waking up application A >> without disrupting the experience of the user currently busy using >> application B in the foreground (thinking essentially of mobile here)? >> >> Are we going to wake up application B but run it as a background app? If >> so, where is that behavior defined? Is that akin to a WebWorker or more >>of >> a headless window? What's the life-cycle of such an app? Also, how can >> this app alert the user that it has something new for him? Do we also >>have >> system level notifications in the work? >> >> If a given notification's sole purpose is to advise the user of some >> information he may or not want to act upon (e.g.: "you have new mail"), >> what are the benefits of waking up the application (or even spawning a >> worker) to do so? That seems like it would drain the battery of mobile >> devices for little purpose. >> >> Finally, aren't we conflating the notion of background work following a >> remote server or system event with that of push notification to the >>user? >> >> An example of background work following a remote server event would be >>the >> background update of daily news for a newspaper application. A remote >> server would send an event to the system / browser which itself would >> launch a WebWorker, that worker would perform the necessary io to upload >> the fresh content and save it in a db. >> >> An example of background work following a system event would be a >> "location change" event spawning a background worker which itself either >> stored the coordinates in a db or sent them to a remote server, e.g. >>for a >> cycling app tracking your rides. >> >> Example of push notifications for the user are things like "You've got a >> new message", "It's Emma's birthday today", etc. The user can decide to >> act upon them (i.e. follow the provided link) or not, but until he does, >> there's no reason to launch an app or even a worker. >> >> Note that similar notifications would also need to be issued by >>background >> workers / windows. E.g. The worker spawned above to upload fresh content >> for the newspaper app would be able to send a notification to the user >> when it's done (e.g. "Today's news are been downloaded.") >> >> Sorry if the above feels a bit like a brain dump. I'm really struggling >>to >> understand the scope of this proposal. :-/ > >Actually, our System Message API [1] seems to answer most of those >questions: an application will be able to specify a worker or a page to >use when handling a message so it will be able to just run stuff in the >background and depending on what happened do something like show a >notification (via Desktop Notifications) or update a DB, or whatever. > >[1] >https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.webapi/browse_thread/thread/a3 >c6e4c31d04b663/ Thanks for the link! While it's possible to display push notifications to the user via this proposal (push notification spawns a worker which notifies the user via Desktop Notification), on mobile it's probably a quantifiable waste of battery life compared to push notifications that are directly aimed at the user. For applications built in a more traditional way (with server side rendering, etc.), it still feels like providing the data in query params should be investigated before it's dismissed. Overall, I feel like writing down use cases and requirements would be something useful to do at this point. What do you think? --tobie
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