- From: Kinuko Yasuda <kinuko@chromium.org>
- Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:23:55 -0700
- To: Eric Uhrhane <ericu@google.com>
- Cc: Web Applications Working Group WG <public-webapps@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <AANLkTi=FVeGzv2bJBu8XkZuX7B52CmwWN17afY6HRKgx@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Eric Uhrhane <ericu@google.com> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Kinuko Yasuda <kinuko@chromium.org> > wrote: > > Hi Eric, > > Thanks for your reply. > > Actually after sending that email I had started to think that caching > isFile > > / isDirectory information in memory would be ok if user could get an > > informative error code when an entry becomes stale -- and seems like > that's > > the case. So I'm almost convinced :) > > One thing I'm not fully convinced yet about FileEntry / DirectoryEntry is > > if we really want to make FileEntry a subclass of File. > > To me it looks like they have slightly different semantics - File is an > > immutable snapshot of file content, while Entry is more like a handle for > > meta-level operations that actually modify the underlying disk image. > > File's size attribute and slice() method assume its snapshot doesn't > change > > after it was captured, but FileEntry has createWriter method and it will > > likely change the file content. It brings several questions: if > FileEntry > > == File in what timing are UAs supposed to capture a snapshot? Do we > want > > to have a synchronous size attribute on a mutable Entry? If we move an > > Entry to another name, does its File.type need to change according to its > > new name? > > You're quite right. A mutable FileEntry shouldn't have a synchronous > size member, and slice() and type are likewise problematic. > > How about if we add a getFile() method that returns a File object, > snapshotted at the time of the call? Hmm...that name's going to be a > bit confusing, though, since there's a getFile on DirectoryEntry that > does something completely different. Perhaps just file()? It should > definitely be a method, not a member, to make clear that it's making > calls to the underlying filesystem. file() sounds good to me. (Oh yes we have getFile on DirectoryEntry...) > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Eric Uhrhane <ericu@google.com> wrote: > >> > >> My apologies for the slow response; I'm now back from my vacation. > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Kinuko Yasuda <kinuko@google.com> > wrote: > >> > Hi Eric, > >> > Thanks for brushing up the draft. > >> > We had some internal discussion about the API details and came up with > a > >> > question regarding is{File,Directory} attributes of Entry interface. > >> > It seems like user agent needs to be able to tell if a given entry is > >> > file > >> > or directory synchronously (or from its cache), but we wonder what > >> > should > >> > happen if the underlying file object is changed later. For example, > we > >> > may > >> > have a situation like this: > >> > 1. a user code gets (or creates) a file entry. > >> > 2. another flow of the code (or another code in the same > origin) removes > >> > the > >> > same entry and creates a *directory* at the same path. > >> > 3. the original code refers isFile attribute of the entry. -- should > it > >> > be > >> > true or false? > >> > >> My intention was that the UA would look up that information when first > >> creating the Entry and keep it cached. It's not the kind of thing > >> that changes very often, so I didn't think we needed it to be a live > >> query every time. If the user tries to write to a file that's become > >> a directory, or vice-versa, that's what INVALID_STATE_ERROR is for. > >> > >> This is an unusual error, thus it's appropriate that it be handled via > >> exception. > >> > >> > If an Entry is just a reference (i.e. a pathname) of a system file > >> > entity, > >> > it would look natural that it is resolved at run-time thus returns > false > >> > in > >> > the above case. But if so we'll have two problems: 1) we'll need to > >> > make > >> > synchronous stat calls to get the attribute values, and 2) as we have > >> > different interfaces for file and directory, we may end up with having > >> > invalid FileEntry objects for directories - or vice versa. > >> > Would it be possible to have a single unified interface for file and > >> > directory and let scripts figure out the info at runtime (e.g. in each > >> > asynchronous filesystem operation)? > >> > >> Do you mean, allow all file operations and directory operation, and > >> fail if you use the wrong one? UAs already have to fail on operations > >> that don't make sense [or fail in the underlying implementation], > >> whether or not we keep a unified interface, so I think that would just > >> clutter up each subtype with the others' methods. > > > > > >> > >> If I'm misunderstanding you, please give an example of your proposed > >> interface and a situation which it would improve. > > > > You're not misunderstanding me. I meant if UAs didn't cache the > > information that an entry is file or directory it would be natural to > make > > wrong operations fail at run-time, but otherwise I fully agree that > > cluttering up subtypes with irrelevant methods is not a good idea. > >> > >> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Eric Uhrhane <ericu@google.com> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I've posted a new draft of File API: Directories and System [1]. In > >> >> this draft I've rolled in quite a bit of feedback that I received > >> >> since first posting it on DAP--many apologies for the delay. This is > >> >> the first draft produced since we agreed to move this spec from DAP > to > >> >> WebApps; I hope those of you who have time will give it a look and > let > >> >> me know what you think. > >> >> > >> >> In general I've tried to address any comment I was sent and had not > >> >> already addressed via email. The few that didn't make it in, I've > >> >> responded to below. > >> >> > >> >> My thanks to Robin Berjon and Mike Clement for all their feedback. > >> >> > >> >> Robin: > >> >> - "data stored there by the application should not be deleted by the > >> >> UA without user intervention", "UA should require permission from the > >> >> user", "The application may of course delete it at will" -> these > >> >> sound like real conformance statements, therefore SHOULD, SHOULD NOT, > >> >> and MAY. > >> >> > >> >> Those are in a non-normative section; is that language still > >> >> appropriate > >> >> there? > >> >> > >> >> Robin: > >> >> [discussion about speccing the URI format] > >> >> > >> >> Left as an open issue. > >> >> > >> >> Mike: > >> >> [discussion about multiple sandboxes per origin] > >> >> > >> >> I think that would be very easy and clean to add later if desired, > and > >> >> in the mean time, one can use subdirectories. > >> >> > >> >> Mike: > >> >> getFile/getDirectory are a bit overloaded. How about including > >> >> methods like exists(), createFile() and createDirectory()? Though > >> >> these methods are easily implemented in terms of > getFile/getDirectory, > >> >> I always prefer more direct API methods that help make the code > easier > >> >> to understand. I expect, though, that you are attempting to be a low > >> >> level as possible here. > >> >> > >> >> As Robin pointed out, adding extra round-trips will slow things down. > >> >> Also, it can encourage race conditions. These are easy for libraries > >> >> to implement via wrappers. > >> >> > >> >> Mike: > >> >> [request for creation time in getMetadata] > >> >> > >> >> It may be hard to support reliably cross-platform [2]. > >> >> > >> >> Robin: > >> >> [specifying a single locale everywhere] > >> >> > >> >> I don't think that'll make folks very happy if it's not their locale. > >> >> If I e.g. try to force my locale on Turkish Windows users, they're > >> >> going to see some interesting errors trying to share files with apps > >> >> outside the browser, or for that matter even saving certain groups of > >> >> files from inside the browser. > >> >> > >> >> Eric > >> >> > >> >> [1] http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/file-system/file-dir-sys.html > >> >> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_times > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >
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