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RE: [widgets] P&C Last Call comments, viewmodes, referencing other specs, guarantee of consistency

From: Marcin Hanclik <Marcin.Hanclik@access-company.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:21:15 +0200
To: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>, Marcos Caceres <marcosc@opera.com>, Bryan Sullivan <BS3131@att.com>
CC: public-webapps <public-webapps@w3.org>
Message-ID: <FAA1D89C5BAF1142A74AF116630A9F2C0A26ED90F5@OBEEX01.obe.access-company.com>
Hi Art,

As for View Modes spec, I provided ACCESS' input several months ago, from NetFront Widgets implementation.
The problem I have now is that P&C is almost ready and it normatively references another specification that is not public and it is not very clear what it will include.

Of course, I will wait until ViewModes appears and comment then, since currently my input may double someone else's input.


Kind regards,

Marcin Hanclik
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-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Barstow [mailto:art.barstow@nokia.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:37 PM
To: Marcin Hanclik; Marcos Caceres; Bryan Sullivan
Cc: public-webapps
Subject: Re: [widgets] P&C Last Call comments, viewmodes, referencing other specs, guarantee of consistency

Marcin, Marcos, All,

On Jun 3, 2009, at 12:14 PM, ext Marcos Caceres wrote:

> On 6/3/09 5:54 PM, Marcin Hanclik wrote:
>> Hi Marcos,
>>>> I am not sure whether the item 3 is satisfied.
>>> What do you mean?
>> For example:
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-widgets-20090528/#the-widget-element
>> "viewmodes
>>      A keyword list attribute that denotes the view modes
>> supported the widget. The value SHOULD be one or more of the
>> following valid view modes as defined in the [Widgets-Views]
>> specification: application, floating, fullscreen, mini, or all. ..."
>> The question is: which spec is more normative here? P&C or non-
>> existing Widgets-Views?
>> As a WUA vendor I would like to support all possible values.
>> As a widget developer I am interesting in knowing all the options
>> I have.
> I understand. Like I said, we are working as quickly as we can.
> There is
> nothing we can do about this. The values are settled on; but they need
> to be spec'ed properly.

Perhaps one of the things that adds some confusion here is the P&C's
[Widgets-Views] reference is to the "Widgets 1.0: Media Query
Extension" spec whereas I believe the plan of record is for that
reference to point to a completely different document (for which
there currently is no Editor's Draft), probably titled something like
"Widgets 1.0: {Window,View} Modes".

As all of us that have attended the weekly calls over the last few
months know, the priorities have been P&C, DigSig and A&E, and Marcos
in particular has done an exceptional job to move those specs forward.

>>>> Marcin, there is only a limited number of editors. We are doing the
>>>> best we can to pump out specs. But there is only so many hours
>>>> in the
>>>> day.
>> I can help you. Shall I answer formally to:
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/
>> 0503.html
> We already have editors for the specs; it's just that the editors are
> caught up over editing. What we need is reviewers. The more reviews we
> get, the quicker we move. If you want to really help, keep reviewing
> what we already have. Your review of P&C has been very helpful.

Robin and Marcos have agreed to be Editors of the View Modes spec. As
always, what we need is specific inputs. Marcin, if you have some
inputs for the View Modes spec, please send them to the list. Note
too that last week, Bryan agreed to provide input for the View Modes
spec [1].

-Regards, Art Barstow

[1] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/28-wam-minutes.html#item06


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