- From: Andrew Emmons <andrew.emmons@quickoffice.com>
- Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:55:23 -0600
- To: "public-webapi@w3.org" <public-webapi@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <A13D0B44629697468E9C6AE200CFD39A31A64D5B53@mailkeeper.mdigitalm.com>
Hello WG,
Please find below the minutes for today's telcon.
Regards,
Andrew
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Web API WG Teleconference
05 Mar 2008
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-webapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Carmelo, aemmons, Doug, anne
Regrets
Travis
Chair
Doug
Scribe
aemmons
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]merging mousewheel and mousemultiwheel
2. [5]wheelDelta description
3. [6]Specific mousewheel tests
* [7]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 05 March 2008
<scribe> Scribe: aemmons
<scribe> ScribeNick: aemmons
merging mousewheel and mousemultiwheel
<anne> I looked at the agenda and have nothing to add to the e-mail
that went to the mailing list.
<shepazu>
[8]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Feb/0202.ht
ml
[8] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Feb/0202.html
DS: My investigations seem to indicate that he is wrong
... I bought the 'mighty mouse' mouse in question
... has a little ball
... allows scroll left or right
... Made a script that tests mousehweel
... It gets events for both dx and dy
... Does not distingust between the two
... The browser window seems to understand how the mouse ball works
AvK: You are saying, when you do hoizontal, it receives mousewheel
and the values chage?
DS: Yes
AvK: IE?
DS: Firefox
... Clearly receiving some event
... MS seemed to indicate they would rather solve it with one event,
from last week
... I'll make a more complete test across OS and browsers
AvK: I would like to see the test and results
AE: I like having a single event what contains the functionality of
both mousehweel and mousemultiwheel because of content creation
... Take for example the Blackberry - older devices have a single y
wheel, newer ones have multi-wheel
... Would be nice to have content written for both without needed to
listen and register for two events
AvK: There are use cases having a single event for both
... there are use cases for having different events because you can
do a default action for one direction an something else for another
<anne> There are use cases for a single event with both vertical and
horizontal delta as well as uses cases for having separate events so
you can cancel the default action for either direction.
<anne> So I guess I'm arguing for having both, though maybe for now
we should stick to a one if that's infeed feasible, dunno
DS: IF there are use cases for both, we should pick the most common
use cases
AvK: We have a way for doing both
... mousemultiwheel does x/y, mousewheel does y
DS: Unless we have a real-world use case we need to prove there is a
need not a theoretical use case
AvK: I am fine having mousewheel with both dx and dy
DS: If we do this, we could add informative note for cancel
wrokaround
wheelDelta description
<shepazu>
[9]http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/events.html#Events-eventg
roupings-mousemultiwheelevents
[9] http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/events.html#Events-eventgroupings-mousemultiwheelevents
The distance the wheel has rotated around the x-axis.
<shepazu> "The distance the wheel has rotated around the y-axis."
A number indicating the distance, measured as the number of "clicks"
the wheel has been rotated. A positive value indicates that the
wheel has been rotated away from the user (or in a right-hand manner
on horizontally aligned devices) and a negative value indicates that
the wheel has been rotated towards the user (or in a left-hand
manner on horizontally aligned devices). The default value...
scribe: of the wheelDelta attribute is 0.
A "click" is defined to be a unit of rotation. On some devices this
is a finite physical step. On devices with smooth rotation, a
"click" becomes the smallest reported amount of rotation.
[10]http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/proposals/mouse
wheel.txt
[10] http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/proposals/mousewheel.txt
DS: I'll use this as a base for me proposal
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to search the SVG archive for wheelDelta
discussions [recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-webapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-253 - Search the SVG archive for
wheelDelta discussions [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-03-12].
<shepazu>
[12]http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-SVGMobile12-20051207/svgudom.html
[12] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-SVGMobile12-20051207/svgudom.html
<shepazu> [[ wheelDelta
<shepazu> Indicates the number of "clicks" the wheel has been
rotated. A positive value indicates that the wheel has been rotated
away from the user (or in a right-hand manner on horizontally
aligned devices) and a negative value indicates that the wheel has
been rotated towards the user (or in a left-hand manner on
horizontally aligned devices).
<shepazu> A "click" is defined to be a unit of rotation. On some
devices this is a finite physical step. On devices with smooth
rotation, a "click" becomes the smallest measurable amount of
rotation.
<shepazu> ]]
DS: I do not think we need to be more specific
... The user can configure how large the 'clicks' are
... If it turns out later that this does not fill common, simple,
use cases there is nothing stopping us from using the more complex
model later
... for exmaple, a total of 4 events - one for x, y, z and 'uber'
mousewheel
... I can put both proposals to the group
... I will put them on the wiki
... Tests for wheelDelta
... How many, what? How does it relate to scroll?
... Regarding testing, need to come up with a systematic way to
build a testsuite
... Script Travis supplied is a good start
... We have no place to put the tests that I know of
... As of Feb 7, we do not have an offical test suite location
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to create a test repository [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-webapi-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-254 - Create a test repository [on Doug
Schepers - due 2008-03-12].
DS: I'd like to have an eaiser way to manage tests than, for exmaple
SVG
(brainstorming better ways)
<scribe> ACTION: Carmelo to propose a metadata framework for tests
[recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-webapi-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-255 - Propose a metadata framework for
tests [on Carmelo Montanez - due 2008-03-12].
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to get feedback from major implementers
regarding how to best make a test harness that will work for them
[recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-webapi-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-256 - Get feedback from major implementers
regarding how to best make a test harness that will work for them
[on Doug Schepers - due 2008-03-12].
Specific mousewheel tests
DS: Just testing for existence of mousehweel event is step 1
CM: Yes
DS: One test to make sure up is +ve
... One test to make sure click value is honored
... One test that left is +ve
... One test for down is -ve
... One test for down is -ve
... One test for x, y and z
... One test to make sure if you have a ball-type wheel if you have
values for x and y the larger value is wheelDelta
AE: A currentTarget/target test
DS: Test for the click units
... Some devices give delta in radians
... A test to see that the wheelDelta is < 10? I way to test the
units are in clicks and not radians
<scribe> ACTION: Talk to RIM to see what their wheel stuff is like
[recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-webapi-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Talk
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to talk to RIM to see what their wheel event
is like [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-webapi-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-257 - Talk to RIM to see what their wheel
event is like [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-03-12].
AE: Test for all MouseEvent attributes/methods as well
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to propose a metadata framework for tests
[recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-webapi-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to create a test repository [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-webapi-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to get feedback from major implementers regarding
how to best make a test harness that will work for them [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-webapi-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to search the SVG archive for wheelDelta
discussions [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-webapi-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to talk to RIM to see what their wheel event is
like [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-webapi-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Talk to RIM to see what their wheel stuff is like
[recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-webapi-minutes.html#action05]
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Andrew Emmons
Architect and Manager, SVG Technologies
Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
Quickoffice, BitFlash Division
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