- From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:07:26 -0400
- To: Web API public <public-webapi@w3.org>
Hi, WebAPI fans- The minutes for the DOM3 Events telcon on 16 April 2008 can be found here: http://www.w3.org/2008/04/16-webapi-minutes.html Or as text below: [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Web API WG Teleconference 16 Apr 2008 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2008/04/16-webapi-irc Attendees Present [Microsoft], Doug, aemmons, Carmelo Regrets Chair Doug Scribe Travis Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]event iterator proposal 2. [5]wiki access 3. [6]key events and key identifiers * [7]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 16 April 2008 <shepazu> [8]http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/D3E_Scraps [8] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/D3E_Scraps <Travis> script: Travis <Travis> scribe: Travis <scribe> scribeNick: IRC Travis <Travis> AE: Meeting has started <Travis> ... planning next meeting. <Travis> shepazu: Carmelo have you started testing keyboard related stuff? <Travis> Carmelo: have made keycode/charcode progress... <Travis> aemmons: Let's chat about event iterator discussion from the list <Travis> ... much of discussion was around use-cases... event iterator proposal <shepazu> mjs, are you interested in discussing event iterator? <mjs> shepazu: I don't have much to add besides what I said already, and wanting to hear the use cases that justify it <shepazu> mjs, ok <mjs> those use cases would be better presented in email, but I'd be happy to hear them by phone too <aemmons> [9]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Apr/0066.ht ml [9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Apr/0066.html <shepazu> [10]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Apr/0066.h tml [10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Apr/0066.html <mjs> shepazu: so please let me know if I can contribute anything useful, and I'll gladly call in for that topic <shepazu> ok, thanks <Travis> aemmons: previous proposal for hasEventListener <Travis> shepazu: less usefull in my opinion <Travis> aemmons: mjs wants to really discuss if we need it at all (use-case analysis) <Travis> shepazu: I find strong case for this iterator--others don't seem to think so. <Travis> shepazu: It's potentially problematic for some UA's because the use the API internally for adding listeners... <Travis> ... we could just get DOM events out and then add the iterator later (in its own spec) <Travis> ... don't want to delay DOM3 Events for this. Rather settle on keyevents, etc. and publish this spec... <Travis> .... unless can resolve iterator open issue quickly. <Travis> Travis: I agree generally with what is said about not delaying... <Travis> ... unexpected resistence. <Travis> shepazu: App internal use, seems easy to hide events... <Travis> ... for extensions in FF, may be more complicated <Travis> Travis: the page may not want to see stuff added by extensions. <Travis> shepazu: Rather UI doesn't want to expose that to whomever controls the page. <Travis> Travis: possible security/privacy issue for scripted extensions. Maybe a profiling problem. <Travis> shepazu: problem could also exist for a framework/mashup. <Travis> Travis: frameworks want to control enumeration <Travis> Travis: Almost requires the addEventListener api to specify whether an event should be enumerated. <Travis> shepazu: It complicates scenarios. <Travis> ... Travis, please gather use-cases, reqs., etc., to continue to drive conversation. <Travis> ... continue out of context of DOM3 Events (so as to not block progress). <Travis> Travis: I think that's fine. <Travis> aemmons: It makes a lot of sense to identify the use cases. <Travis> shepazu: anyone opposed to this? <Travis> Resolution: Don't add event iterators in DOM3 Events, continue research for a later spec <Travis> Rationale: Don't want to delay DOM3 Events. <Travis> Travis: mjs what do you think of this? <shepazu> mjs, are you fine with this resolution? <mjs> I am fine with not including it for now <mjs> I do think we should still add it later if there is a use case <Travis> Travis: addEventListener('click', fCallback, false, 'don't enumerate'); :) <shepazu> for future reference wiki access <Travis> shepazu: Proceedure to get wiki access <Travis> ... 1- make an account. <Travis> ... 2 - tell shepazu <Travis> ... 3 - he will grant access if the stars align <shepazu> [11]http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/Main_Page [11] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/Main_Page key events and key identifiers <shepazu> [12]http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/Key_Identifiers [12] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/Key_Identifiers <Travis> shepazu: I added those 2 things for review <Travis> ... that link defines key identifiers (by Cameron) <Travis> shepazu: I think we should add this to the spec <shepazu> [13]http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/D3E_Scraps [13] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/D3E_Scraps <Travis> shepazu: we need to send mail to folks to see if this is a reasonable approach <Travis> ... scraps from my local edit of the DOM3 events spec. Opens some issues/ expanded key identifiers section. <Travis> ... includes 8-direction arrow keys (up-left, etc.) <Travis> ... will ultimately have a table that includes Unicode map to actual character (U+XXX to "!") <Travis> ... as well as a table that maps charcode and keycode <Travis> ... added soft keys soft1..soft4 <Travis> ... zoom key <Travis> ... (may not be in original list) <Travis> ... folks should go through the list and provide feedback--agree/disagree, and what's missing. <Travis> ... Think about mobile, alternate keyboards, etc. so that we can have a comprehensive list. <Travis> shepazu: There's a unicode value for the space key, but it's not a named key. <Travis> ... might be interesting to add that. (There's an 'enter' key after all...) <Travis> ... I'll post the issues defined in that scraps doc. <Travis> shepazu: What stuff do browsers test for event-related stuff. And record that data on the wiki <Travis> Travis: Do you want test cases? <Travis> shepazu: No, just tables of info (results) <shepazu> for keycode and charcode <shepazu> [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/KeyCode_and_charCode [14] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/KeyCode_and_charCode <Travis> shepazu: Let's devide and conquer <Travis> shepazu: Test that page on different OS/Browser combinations. OSX, Windows, etc. <Travis> ... each person can independently report results to find issues... <Travis> aemmons: For english keyboards? <Travis> shepazu: Let's ask others (don't know who) with non-english keyboards to test. <Travis> Carmelo: should this go right to the wiki? <Travis> shepazu: Either results in an HTML page... <Travis> ... well, you can send it to me, but I'd like it all on the wiki eventually <shepazu> [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2006Nov/att-0047 /keyCode-ie.htm [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2006Nov/att-0047/keyCode-ie.htm <Travis> Carmelo: In one page or multiple pages? <Travis> shepazu: Anne did some tests and reported the link above. <Travis> ... those are all for IE. <Travis> .... We don't have a specific format <Travis> ... There are some differences as IE doesn't have charCode. <Travis> ... When I get back I'd like to have a good compilation that we can review. <Travis> ... Then when I get back, we can integrate the different results into one table, and map that to key identifiers. <Travis> aemmons: Better to get the individual results in email and then merge later. <Travis> shepazu: What Anne has in the previous link is a good framework. <Travis> ... (groups keys by ranges for succinctness) <Travis> ... let's be thorough, though it might be a bit boring. <Travis> shepazu: aemmons will you coordinate this? <Travis> aemmons: yes. <Travis> ACTION: aemmons to coordinate charcode/keycode testing on multiple OS and browsers [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/04/16-webapi-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-275 - Coordinate charcode/keycode testing on multiple OS and browsers [on Andrew Emmons - due 2008-04-23]. <Travis> shepazu: That's all that I had for this telecon. <Travis> ... anyone have other topics to discuss? <Travis> aemmons: Are we all set for mousewheel? <Travis> shepazu: I'll try to get to that soon (hopefully next week). <Travis> ... other issues? <Travis> Travis: Still have some outstanding actions... <Travis> shepazu: Reminder, I'll be out of office for a few weeks... <Travis> ... I'll be back 4 weeks from now. <Travis> ... should have email access. <Travis> ... Please have testing done by the time I get back. <Travis> shepazu: I think we could be in last call in about a month and a half. 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