Re: Agents Economic Systems

The paper states the opposite imo, which level of permeability should be
the "default"? And which are the boundaries to consider and where to set
them?

If you set the "principal reference boundary" to be the MCP then the
resulting design is quite similar to the one we are discussing.

The paper calls explicitly that this virtual agent economies should be
sandboxes (minimal permeability) thus the necessity of interoperability
protocols to communicate through these boundaries (each "level" of
permeability could have its relative protocol for example).

Lorenzo Moriondo
ロレンツォ・モリオンドオ
https://linkedin.com/in/lorenzomoriondo

On Tue, Sep 16, 2025, 14:29 Joshua Cornejo <josh@marketdata.md> wrote:

> It depends on what is the actual external and internal implementations of
> the agent.
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>    - If an agent’s internal boundaries are a closed system (“not
>    sharing”), it’s external interactions can be managed via roles (i.e. RBAC
>    limits the scope of what the agent could do).
>    - If an agent’s internal boundaries are an open system (“sharing”),
>    it’s interactions need to be limited by those tasking the agent (i.e. “just
>    in time” access control)
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> If their assumption is that the agents just co-exist like if we’re in the
> wild west … then obviously nothing works and we all sound like an episode
> of Black Mirror meeting Westworld 😊
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> Regards,
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> *From: *Lorenzo Moriondo <tunedconsulting@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, 16 September 2025 at 12:04
> *To: *public-webagents <public-webagents@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Agents Economic Systems
> *Resent-From: *<public-webagents@w3.org>
> *Resent-Date: *Tue, 16 Sep 2025 11:03:41 +0000
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> Hello,
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> in my opinion it would be useful to get in touch with the authors of this
> paper or to consider integrating some from this point of view as far as it
> overlaps with the work of the group:
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> https://arxiv.org/pdf/2509.10147
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> "This paper proceeds from the assumption that unless a change is made, our
> current trajectory points toward the accidental emergence of a vast, and
> likely permeable, sandbox economy. Our central challenge, therefore, is not
> whether to create this ecosystem, but how to architect it to ensure it is
> steerable, safe, and aligned with user and community goals.
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> A fully permeable and emergent sandbox
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> would be, in practice, functionally equivalent to AI agents simply
> participating in the existing human economy. The “sandbox” terminology is
> useful, however, because it allows us to contrast this default trajectory
> with other possibilities, such as intentionally designed and impermeable
> agent economies created for safe experimentation. It also highlights that
> some degree of impermeability may (or may not) emerge naturally (e.g. if
> there are practical difficulties in transacting between humans and AIs).
> The framework highlights that permeability is the critical and controllable
> design variable. "
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> I think these are the kind of challenges that we are trying to tackle with
> this group mission.
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> Best,
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> Lorenzo Moriondo
> ロレンツォ・モリオンドオ
> https://linkedin.com/in/lorenzomoriondo
>