Re: Unsubscribing from the list

Boris, sad to hear, hope we can do better in the future.

On a tactical level, Xiaoqian has an update in flight [1] to address the
issue you filed -- thanks Xiaoqian!

Stepping back, the broken cross references *is* something that has bitten
us a few times in the past. I don't have an immediate solution but my guess
is that we'll need some mix of better tools (aside: does Bikeshed help
flag/resolve these better?) and more careful review audits to prevent this
going forward.

Re, twitter exchange [2]: it sounds like you're suggesting a significant
overhaul to the overall structure we agreed on earlier in [3,4]. That said,
I'm also not entirely clear on what the delta is between where we are
heading with our current plan (the point of which is, for the most part, to
simplify and clarify all the relationships) and what you're
suggesting—modulo broken references, which we absolutely need to fix. Would
love to hear more.

ig

[1] https://github.com/w3c/navigation-timing/pull/66
[2] https://twitter.com/igrigorik/status/850076037052473345
[3] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/
2015Jun/thread.html#msg57
[4] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZKW9N0cteHgK91SyYQON
Fuy2ZW6J4Oak398niTo232E/edit

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Shubhie Panicker <panicker@google.com>
wrote:

> Sorry you've had a bad experience Boris.
>
> I just wanted to share a small data point here as another implementor:
> our team (Chrome) recently implemented Navigation Timing 2 and had a very
> different experience as implementors (we were *not* spec editors)
> We had several questions and needed many clarifications on the spec, we
> filed bugs on the spec github repo and received good turnaround times
> (typically within a day). So while the specs needed some work, our concerns
> were promptly addressed.
> Just sharing so other implementors have another (small) data point.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Boris Zbarsky <bzbarsky@mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I find myself unable to participate effectively in this working group. My
>> repeated attempts to prod people to make the specifications this group
>> produces actually usable by implementors who are not themselves editors of
>> those specifications have been met with platitudes and stonewalling for
>> years now.  There is no benefit to be gained, from my point of view, in
>> continuing to try to roll this rock up the hill.
>>
>> I filed https://github.com/w3c/navigation-timing/issues/65 this morning;
>> it's a tip-of-the-iceberg kind of look at the kinds of systemic problems
>> the specifications this working group produces have.
>>
>> I am unsubscribing from this list, effective immediately.
>>
>> My regrets,
>> Boris
>>
>>
>