- From: Eli Perelman <eperelman@mozilla.com>
- Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:50:59 -0500
- To: Patrick Meenan <pmeenan@webpagetest.org>
- Cc: Philippe Le Hegaret <plh@w3.org>, "public-web-perf@w3.org" <public-web-perf@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CABvvSwc3jdxqvXo+yJzpgh3jASxng4s=QLLw8oPizbkcpay8mA@mail.gmail.com>
Repost from GH: For what it's worth, the "time to critical content loaded" for Firefox OS is considered `visuallyLoaded`, since that is the core content on the page. `navigationLoaded` is for the UI content needed to navigate the site, like navigation bars, hamburger menus, etc. Eli Perelman Mozilla On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Patrick Meenan <pmeenan@webpagetest.org> wrote: > On the Chrome side we are going to go ahead with implementing reporting > for the 'navigationLoaded' mark and do some evangelism around it. It's > probably worth holding off on updating the spec until we see if there is > uptake from developers and how useful it ends up being. > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Patrick Meenan <pmeenan@webpagetest.org> > wrote: > >> Performance observers don't really give the browser (or performance >> tools) a better way to know about what the application developer cares >> about. They just give the developer a better way to track things (and >> maybe a better way to mark the "critical content loaded" point). I think >> we still need an agreed-upon or convention for a mark name for Apps that do >> care to track it to expose it in a standard way. >> >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 7:57 AM, Philippe Le Hegaret <plh@w3.org> wrote: >> >>> On 06/24/2015 07:28 PM, Patrick Meenan wrote: >>> >>>> At least for what I was planning to do with it it wouldn't alter any >>>> behavior. We (and I expect most browsers) track aggregate field metrics >>>> for a bunch of technical metrics to track our performance and guide our >>>> optimization work. None of the standard technical measurements really >>>> mean anything for the user experience (onload, DOM Content Loaded, >>>> etc). A lot of sites have their own custom metrics that they track that >>>> does better tie to the user experience and most that do have a core >>>> "this is the user experience time for this operation". The time to >>>> first tweet and time to first pin were concrete examples that I know of >>>> but just about every major web property has their own. >>>> >>>> What I'd like to do is to be able to collect that in a standard way so >>>> that when we make optimization trade-offs we take the applications >>>> actual experience metrics into account. That does mean that it will >>>> impact decisions that we make about how the browser works but not in the >>>> context of that specific page or page load. >>>> >>> >>> With performance observers, this would give you an easier to track those >>> marks, correct? >>> >>> Philippe >>> >>> >>> >> >
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