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[minutes] September 25 call

From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 17:00:16 +0200
Message-ID: <1380121216.25355.263.camel@cumulustier>
To: public-web-mobile@w3.org

The minutes of our call today are available at:

and copied as text below.

Thanks Natasha for scribing!



      [1] http://www.w3.org/

              Web and Mobile Interest Group Teleconference

25 Sep 2013



   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/09/25-webmob-irc


          schuki, dom, jorabin, marcosc,LisaDeLuca_IBM, DanSun,
          jsmanrique, stakagi, tobie




     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Welcome
         2. [6]IG Goals
         3. [7]Modus Operandi
         4. [8]Teleconferences
         5. [9]Face to Face
         6. [10]Github
         7. [11]Closing The Gap Report
         8. [12]Standards for Webon Mobile Roadmap
         9. [13]AOB
     * [14]Summary of Action Items

   <dom> Agenda:



   <Ig_Ibert_Bittencourt> Hi everyone

   schuki: hi! I am Natasha from GSMA

   marcosc: hi! I am another co-chair, welcome everyone

   <Rumoroso> hi, I am connecting to voip... I am Rumoroso, from

   dom: i am also excited about being here, looking forward to the
   work we will be doing

   jorabin: thanks everyone

IG Goals

   <jorabin> [16]IG Charter

     [16] http://www.w3.org/2013/07/webmobile-ig-charter.html

   jorabin: let's go through the goals

   <Jose_Crespo> Hi there

   jorabin: mission: The mission of the Web and Mobile Interest
   Group, part of the Mobile Web Initiative Activity, is to
   accelerate the development of Web technology so that it becomes
   a compelling platform for mobile applications and the obvious
   choice for cross platform development.
   ... this is our top level statement
   ... we have been talking about the meaning of mobile / apps
   ... it could be a waste of time to discuss this
   ... but this is important as it helps us to scope the group
   ... so it would be wise for us to define to help us work
   towards this scope

   schuki: i am good with discussing this but would be good to
   have a cut off point
   ... so we don't get into a long and arduous discussion and
   don't get any work done!

   <jorabin> to be clear, I think we should spend time discussing
   meaning of "mobile" and "apps" as much as it is useful to
   clarify our mission, namely "is to accelerate the development
   of Web technology so that it becomes a compelling platform for
   mobile applications and the obvious choice for cross platform

   marcosc: we should spend time on this if there is controversy,
   but not spend too much time on this

Modus Operandi

   jorabin: we will be using the mailing list
   ... public-web-mobile@w3c.org
   ... we have also decided to use the W3C Tracke

   <dom> [17]Trackerr for WebMob

     [17] https://www.w3.org/Mobile/IG/track/

   <dom> ACTION-30?

   <trackbot> ACTION-30 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to Add a note
   about (or remove) 20% participation requirement from charter.
   -- due 2013-09-25 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/Mobile/IG/track/actions/30

     [18] http://www.w3.org/Mobile/IG/track/actions/30

   dom: we can use this with IRC
   ... we can create action items with IRC

   <dom> [19]Tracker documentation

     [19] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/

   <scribe> ACTION: Natasha, include tracker link onto New
   Participants wiki page [recorded in

   <trackbot> Error finding 'Natasha,'. You can review and
   register nicknames at

     [21] http://www.w3.org/Mobile/IG/track/users%3E.

   dom: you can now subscribe to action items


   jorabin: how long do we think we should be holding teleconfs?
   ... might be hard to say right now
   ... not sure on how much work we have
   ... any views from the participants?
   ... who can organise a poll to do teleconfs?

   dom: me!

   <jorabin> ACTION: Dom to organise a Doodle poll re
   teleconference times [recorded in

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-39 - Organise a doodle poll re
   teleconference times [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due

   <jorabin> RESOLUTION: chairs to determine exact timing of
   upcoming teleconfs in lead up to TPAC

Face to Face

   jorabin: natasha?

   <jorabin> first Face to Face at TPAC, Thursday 14th Friday 15th


     [23] http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/TPAC_Face-to-Face

   <jorabin> (Natasha notes the topics that she will be
   documenting in the wiki)


   marcosc: we have mentioned this on the mailing list
   ... we will do work on github with the documents
   ... some people may not be familar with github
   ... tobie has some great documentation for this
   ... we will put the documents and related topic online and
   manage this via repositories

   <tobie> [24]http://tobie.github.io/specs-on-github/

     [24] http://tobie.github.io/specs-on-github/

   marcosc: at this point we are not in a position to know what
   the actions are
   ... but we will get there in the next few weeks

   <jorabin> [25]Webmob Github

     [25] https://github.com/w3c-webmob

   tobie: i have another doc but it is targetted to testing
   ... W3C has some good ones, but i don't have more info

   dom: I'm not sure of anything

   jorabin: if people have a proble please let the chairs know

   <tobie> [26]https://help.github.com/

     [26] https://help.github.com/

   <jorabin> (Natasha will be writing about Github on our wiki)

   schuki: i will make a wiki page, including both of tobie's

Closing The Gap Report

   dom: i sent some emails about this to the list
   ... I managed a group looking into why the web isn't right for
   developing apps
   ... one of my high level expectations for this group is to
   drive the agenda in this space
   ... this includes best practices, specs etc.
   ... I have also been adding all the interesting discussions
   into the gap analysis
   ... the Taxonomy of Mobile Apps is the document I am working on
   ... I welcome feedback on this
   ... I have 3 documents I have to submit to group
   ... these are frameworks for what makes mobile platform good
   and bad from user and provider perspective
   ... the next is applying this to the web as a platform and see
   where our weaknesses/strengths are and how to get better
   ... the final one is an analysis of applications, news
   consumption, media consumption, games etc (all categories) and
   where the web is strong and where it is weak and how we can
   improve this
   ... i will be submitting large documents covering these
   ... I hope these generate discussions so we can move forward on

   jorabin: the final one of those follows on from Matt Kelly's
   (Facebook) analysis right?

   dom: yes, although we will want to start working from app
   categories rather than specific apps

   <jorabin> schuki notes that the work that Dom is doing is
   really important for pushing back through W3C ...

   <dom> [27]App Type research


Standards for Webon Mobile Roadmap

   <jorabin> s/Webin/Web on/

   dom: i have been writing this document and releasing every

   <dom> [28]Standards for Web on Mobile Roadmap

     [28] http://www.w3.org/Mobile/mobile-web-app-state/

   dom: it goes through many specs, what implementations exist,
   what is the status
   ... the next iteration is scheduled for the end of the month
   ... which is 5 days away!
   ... I am using the Highlights to help flesh out the document
   ... I want to know from this group how you can help me add to
   this or change this
   ... please let me know if you think something is missing or you
   want to add to this
   ... I can keep working on this, but if someone wants to take my
   place I do not mind!
   ... but I am fine with continuing it, I am happy to accept help
   ... I want to know how to make it more useful

   jorabin: what are the advantages of this group taking over the

   dom: if work comes from a W3C group rather than W3C staff the
   work has a little more credibility
   ... also if more people are involved then we can move faster as
   there are more people to help
   ... if the IG adopts the document it could get a balanced view

   <jorabin> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Webmob agrees to adopt
   "Standards for Web on Mobile"

   <LisaDeLuca_IBM> +1 support

   +1 support also

   <stakagi> +1

   <Ig_Ibert_Bittencourt> +1

   <jsmanrique> +1

   <jorabin> RESOLUTION: Webmob agrees to adopt "Standards for Web
   on Mobile"

   dom: i will let the group know when the next iteration is

   <jorabin> noting that the next edition is under Dom's
   supervision as it is next week


   dom: I would like to talk about the Taxonomy document
   ... there has been little feedback on the list
   ... please let me know if people want to continue working on it

   <jorabin> [29]Apps Taxonomy

     [29] https://github.com/w3c-webmob/apps-taxonomy

   <dom> [30]Taxonomy of Mobile Application Platforms

     [30] http://w3c-webmob.github.io/apps-taxonomy/taxonomy.html

   <LisaDeLuca_IBM> Suggestion: whoever is maintaining the twitter
   account @w3c_webmob should add links from our calls to twitter.
   ex. github, tpac meeting, documents for review, etc.

   marcosc: I haven't had time to review yet, let's give people
   some more time to review

   <dom> LisaDeLuca_IBM, that makes plenty of sense indeed

   marcosc: the doc is short, so we should be able to read it

   dom: the value of this document is when we discuss items such
   as 'packaged apps', 'native apps', 'webapps' etc we know what
   we are talking about
   ... we understand what each other are referring and talking

   <Ig_Ibert_Bittencourt> I think document is very useful. I will
   send feedback as soon as possible.

   marcosc: I am struggling with the same thing with Sys Apps
   ... we have been trying to do away with these definitions

   dom: we may just need to clarify why we *don't* want to make a
   distinction in some cases

   marcosc: if we can stick to the 'one web' mantra that would be
   ... I can add some things to this too over the next few weeks

   jorabin: !
   ... thanks all!

   <Ig_Ibert_Bittencourt> Thanks

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to organise a Doodle poll re teleconference
   times [recorded in
   [NEW] ACTION: Natasha, include tracker link onto New
   Participants wiki page [recorded in

   [End of minutes]
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