[GGIE] Minutes of our last call

Available here
 http://www.w3.org/2015/04/08-webtv-minutes.html

And as text below. *Can I ask people attending the call to review them and
point out errors or omissions?* I did my best to take notes but a couple of
times I was lost as I was trying to follow the discussion and take notes at
the same time :)

cheers

/g




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 Web&TV IG - GGIE TF

08 Apr 2015

   See also: [2]IRC log

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/04/08-webtv-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Kaz, digitaldale, Bill_Rose, glennd, Paul_Higgs,
          Leslie_Daigle, jianz, giuseppe, So_Vang, Nilo, jhelman,
          Mark

   Regrets
   Chair
          Glenn

   Scribe
          giuseppe

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Review & approval of March 11th call minutes
         2. [5]Review of new discovery use cases
     * [6]Summary of Action Items
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   <glennd> Agenda:

   <glennd> 1. Review & approval of March 11th call minutes
   ([7]http://www.w3.org/2015/03/11-webtv-minutes.html)

      [7] http://www.w3.org/2015/03/11-webtv-minutes.html)

   <glennd> 2. Agenda Bash

   <glennd> 3. Review of new discovery use cases:
   [8]https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/GGIE_TF/UseCases/User_Dis
   covery

      [8] https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/GGIE_TF/UseCases/User_Discovery

Review & approval of March 11th call minutes

   glenn: this is the only call in a month as we skipped last call
   ... does anyone object to approve last meeting minutes? no
   objection, so approved

Review of new discovery use cases

   glenn: new use cases around user discovery content
   ... let's go over the usecases, I would like people while
   looking at the use cases to think if there are gaps in existing
   standard work
   ... that prevents us from covering these use cases
   ... let's bill present the new UCs

   <kaz> [9]Use Case Wiki

      [9] https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/GGIE_TF/UseCases/User_Discovery

   [10]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/GGIE_TF/UseCases/User_Dis
   covery#User_Discovery-UC-1_User_Search_for_Content_Including_Cl
   ient_Information

     [10]
http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/GGIE_TF/UseCases/User_Discovery#User_Discovery-UC-1_User_Search_for_Content_Including_Client_Information

   bill: UC1

   the basic idea is to include some client information in order
   to improve the search results

   so a user would usually include search criteria like title,
   actors etc while the client could automatically append
   information on codecs, license etc

   this would avoid search results that cannot ultimately be
   played for whatever reason

   bill: there could be a difference between the license that the
   user have and one that the client have. I'm not sure

   glenn: I'm not sure there is a standard to represent either of
   them
   ... I'm not aware of any device profile

   paul: maybe something in DLNA, loosely

   bill: yes there should be something in DLNA
   ... but that is for the home network, not sure if that
   information leaves the HN

   (bill and paul discuss DLNA profiles)

   so: there is also some discussion in ATSC about this, maybe
   there is an opportunity for some coordination

   yyy: is there something in bluetooth?

   glenn: not sure, but also a good place to look
   ... so it seems we have identified a potential gap, i.e. there
   isn't a standard to define what a device support
   ... and also there isn't a standard way to respond to a request
   that would include a device profile
   ... also there is no standard to send this device profile to a
   server

   leslie: is it time also to discuss privacy?

   bill: yes, I added in the UC the possibility that the user
   could configure the device not to send all the device
   information
   ... to preserve privacy

   glenn: there are probably different levels of information and
   hence privacy
   ... services I'm subscribed to VS device capabilities for
   examples
   ... there could also be restrictions based on the networks I'm
   on, e.g. home network VS out of home

   bill: so at least two level of privacy, user client and network
   provider
   ... there is also a difference on where different info get
   configured /selected, e.g. an app UI VS device UI

   glenn: from a device standpoint, I may allow an app to search
   on different networks and inside the device aggregate the
   results
   ... when we come back to discuss about network layer, would be
   good to discuss a UC around caching in case of multiple
   networks e.g. when a device have 3 networks but local cache
   only have access to two

   bill: another option, more privacy savy, is to get all the
   metadata and make the decision on what can be played locally

   glenn: let's move to UC2

   bill: UC2 is about using a second screen (mobile) to search for
   content I want to watch on my first screen (TV)
   ... so is related to the previous one but here the device
   sending out information is not the same client playing the
   content
   ... to do this we probably need to get the TV profile in a
   similar way we needed before
   ... actually looking at UC2 again is not what I just described
   ... is more about using the tablet/phone to control UI the TV
   ... so this is actually simple and similar to UC1

   giuseppe: is it worth to have UC2 as a separate UC? can we
   merge it with UC1

   glenn: maybe still worth, in UC2 could have some privacy
   concerns,
   ... maybe I'm at a hotel room and I don't want to share my
   device preferences with the hotel TV set
   ... is there a standard to control a TV?

   giuseppe: I agree there could be a gap here but aren't we
   extending the scope too much?

   glenn: good point, but we can first collect the use cases and
   then make a final filtering at the end
   ... based on priorities
   ... move on on UC3

   bill: so UC3, I have multiple devices in my home
   ... and I want to find content that is suitable for multiple
   devices
   ... e.g. I have a movie I want to watch

   and I want to be able to make some sort of supersearch to know
   if that is playable on any of the device in the home

   scribe: one option is to do multiple searches
   ... but that would be more cumbersome and I would have to
   repeat it for each device
   ... so would be more convenient to do one research for all, and
   would be also good to do it once but capture all the
   differences, e.g. in network connections and capabilites

   glenn: so we need to be able to express playback capabilites,
   network capabilities, offline/online capabilites, in home/out
   of home capabilities
   ... an immediate gap I can see I'm not able to disambiguate
   between different search results, e.g. I have spiderman DVD VS
   spiderman on ABC
   ... so we don't have a standard to express different offers for
   the same content

   bill: also from a content perspective, e.g. ad based VS pay
   ... now if I do local matching and filtering, I need to get all
   the info

   <ldaigle> internet.net or whatever

   <ldaigle> zero rating

   <mark_vickers> who is here?

   dale: we should also consider sponsorship
   ... ... e.g. if I'm part of a sponsor group I may get some
   content for free or at a better bandwith

   glenn: so one think we would luck is a way to express a
   sponsorhip model

   bill: would be a more complex version of the cost option

   glenn: no more comments on UC1-3

   <kaz> [ web&tv ig charter includes CEA and ATSC in [11]the list
   of external groups to liaise ]

     [11] http://www.w3.org/2012/11/webTVIGcharter.html#external-groups

   <kaz> [ while [12]the liaison table has ATSC but not CEA ]

     [12] http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison

   glenn: AP to explore potential liaison with CEA

   glenn: I encourage all new members to read the GGIE main page
   for a better understanding of what we want to do and how we
   want to work, see here
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/GGIE_TF
   ... in a nutshell, we now are trying to collect gaps, later we
   envision to send request to various groups

     [13] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/GGIE_TF

Summary of Action Items

   [End of minutes]
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