- From: Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com>
- Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:19:57 +0200
- To: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
- Cc: "public-web-and-tv@w3.org" <public-web-and-tv@w3.org>
Hi Silvia, > My paths are agnostic to where the subtitle files come from. I would think that the more we understand where/how the captions/subtitles were originally authored, the better we can understand how to best prepare them for Internet delivery. So the more information, the better, I would hazard. > uploads a subtitle file for a video-identifier to CMS What about the case where caption/subtitle essence is ingested simultaneously with the audio and video essence, perhaps as a multiplex? Thanks, -- Pierre On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote: > My paths are agnostic to where the subtitle files come from. You can replace > "user" with any of content owner, subtitling company, professional > captioner, crowd sourced caption supplier or whatever other caption source > you can think of. > > They all have an ingest step and that step has to make sure that the > supplied file meets quality requirements. So you probably want to add a QA > step with the upload. > > Thanks, > Silvia. > > On 25 Jul 2013 19:20, "Pierre-Anthony Lemieux" <pal@sandflow.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Silvia, >> >> Thanks for the input. >> >> It looks like the use cases cover the case of user-supplied >> subtitles/captions. True? If so, what about subtitles/captions >> supplied by the content owner and/or ingested as part of the initial >> content upload? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Best, >> >> -- Pierre >> >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer >> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hi Pierre, >> > >> > I don't have time for the pretty drawings, but from what I can tell >> > e.g. from seeing YouTube and other online video publishers use >> > subtitles, it's not a difficult picture anyway. >> > >> > user >> > | >> > uploads video >> > | >> > v >> > video-identifier added to CMS >> > | >> > convert video file to all formats used by CMS >> > | >> > v >> > all [video-file, video-identifier] added to CMS >> > >> > >> > user (potentially the same or other) >> > | >> > uploads a subtitle file for a video-identifier to CMS >> > | >> > v >> > [subtitle-identifier, video-identifier] added to CMS >> > | >> > convert subtitle file to all formats used by CMS >> > | >> > v >> > all [subtitle-file, subtitle-identifier, video-identifier] added to CMS >> > >> > >> > user (video viewer) >> > | >> > views page with video & subtitle formats as supported by their >> > player/browser >> > | >> > chooses particular subtitle track >> > | >> > v >> > watches video with subtitles >> > >> > >> > HTH. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Silvia. >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux >> > <pal@sandflow.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Silvia, >> >> >> >> As suggested during the call, the objective is to document the >> >> caption/subtitling ecosystem, using these diagrams as well as others >> >> as starting point. >> >> >> >> Looking forward to your input and participation. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> -- Pierre >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer >> >> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks. No surprises there (except that WebVTT is completely missing >> >>> from the pictures). >> >>> I guess somebody needs to create a picture for how it works with >> >>> native Web content through Web CMSes. >> >>> >> >>> Silvia. >> >>> >> >>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux >> >>> <pal@sandflow.com> wrote: >> >>>> Hi Silvia, >> >>>> >> >>>> Below are two that come to mind: >> >>>> >> >>>> http://tech.ebu.ch/ebu-tt >> >>>> https://www.smpte.org/publications/wallcharts >> >>>> >> >>>> Best, >> >>>> >> >>>> -- Pierre >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer >> >>>> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> Sorry I wasn't able to join this morning. Family commitments. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Someone mentioned a link to the process in dock captions end up on >> >>>>> the web. >> >>>>> Could you share the link? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Thanks! >> >>>>> Silvia. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 12 Jul 2013 07:57, "Daniel Davis" <ddavis@w3.org> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Available at: >> >>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-webtv-minutes.html >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Also as text below. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Thank you to Kaz for the note-taking hand-holding and tidying up. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Daniel >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> --- >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> [1]W3C >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> - DRAFT - >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Web and TV IG - Timed Text TF Call >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> 11 Jul 2013 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> [2]Agenda >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> [2] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/Timed_Text_Meeting_5 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> See also: [3]IRC log >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-webtv-irc >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Attendees >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Present >> >>>>>> Kaz, Daniel, Graham, Pierre, Glenn, Mark, Mike >> >>>>>> (Observer) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Regrets >> >>>>>> Chair >> >>>>>> Pierre >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Scribe >> >>>>>> ddavis >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Contents >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> * [4]Topics >> >>>>>> 1. [5]Daniel is joining >> >>>>>> 2. [6]Input to Timed Text WG charter revision process >> >>>>>> 3. [7]Improve the structure of Timed_Text_Efforts >> >>>>>> 4. [8]Ecosystem drawing >> >>>>>> 5. [9]Next call >> >>>>>> * [10]Summary of Action Items >> >>>>>> __________________________________________________________ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> <kaz> kaz: ok to invite Mike Dolan to this call? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> <kaz> pal: ok >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> <kaz> (Mike's participation is approved) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Daniel is joining >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> <kaz> ddavis: 50% Team Contact :) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> <Mark_Vickers> Welcome, Daniel. Glad to have you with us! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Thank you! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Input to Timed Text WG charter revision process >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> <pal> >> >>>>>> [11]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/TTWG_Consensus_Input >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> [11] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/TTWG_Consensus_Input >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> <scribe> scribenick: ddavis >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> <pal> proposed additional text at >> >>>>>> [12]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/Timed_Text_Meeting_5#P >> >>>>>> roposed_Agenda >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> [12] >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/Timed_Text_Meeting_5#Proposed_Agenda >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> pal: I'm going to add this proposed text to the Consensus Input >> >>>>>> now >> >>>>>> ... The change is now added (as point 5) >> >>>>>> ... Something that was not perhaps clear is that the Web & TV >> >>>>>> IG was supporting the addition of WebVTT deliverables to the >> >>>>>> TTWG deliverables >> >>>>>> ... so maybe there should be a sentence added to that effect. >> >>>>>> ... Showing that we support WebVTT as part of the deliverables >> >>>>>> for the Timed Text WG. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> <kaz> Mark_Vickers: good place to do that >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> pal: Again, I'm going to make this addition to the Consensus >> >>>>>> Input now. >> >>>>>> ... Has now been added to the paragraph before the numbered >> >>>>>> items. >> >>>>>> ... If there are no objections, I'll post this back to the >> >>>>>> Interest Group reflector >> >>>>>> ... and hopefully the IG can then forward this to W3C Team. >> >>>>>> ... Thank you - I think this closes one of our work items. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> <pal> next agenda topic: >> >>>>>> [13]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/Timed_Text_Efforts >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> [13] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Tt/Timed_Text_Efforts >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> <scribe> ACTION: pal to post the Consensus Input to the >> >>>>>> Interest Group reflector [recorded in >> >>>>>> [14]http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-webtv-minutes.html#action01] >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> <trackbot> Created ACTION-121 - Post the Consensus Input to the >> >>>>>> Interest Group reflector [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due >> >>>>>> 2013-07-18]. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Improve the structure of Timed_Text_Efforts >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> pal: There has been the suggestion that this wiki page could be >> >>>>>> better organised. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mark_Vickers: I have some ideas and would be happy to work with >> >>>>>> you offline >> >>>>>> ... to update this page. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> mike: It seems there's a tangle in this process. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> pal: Only members can edit the wiki. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mark_Vickers: I'll push to get that resolved so that I can edit >> >>>>>> it. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> mike: We have some private email with ideas that could really >> >>>>>> improve this page. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> pal: Thanks - I'm happy to help as well. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Ecosystem drawing >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> pal: Next item is "ecosystem drawing" >> >>>>>> ... How do all those captions out there end up on the web, etc? >> >>>>>> ... I put up a link to an overview of the caption workflow that >> >>>>>> EBU and others use. >> >>>>>> ... It might be good for this group to create a similar >> >>>>>> illustration of how timed text is created and ultimately put on >> >>>>>> the web. >> >>>>>> ... I'm spending time on it but if someone else has a strong >> >>>>>> opinion on it, I'm happy. >> >>>>>> ... I'd like to hear other opinions - is it needed? Is it >> >>>>>> needed here? Is it needed urgently? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> mark_vickers: I think it's useful to have to shed light on some >> >>>>>> of the difficulties we're facing >> >>>>>> ... but I think people in the TT WG specifically are probably >> >>>>>> aware of this already. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> pal: Any other comments about this? >> >>>>>> ... No? OK. Any other new topics? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Next call >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> pal: Hearing none and having gone through the agenda, let's >> >>>>>> choose a date for our next meeting. >> >>>>>> ... I think 2pm is the best compromise. How about August 1st? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> <kaz> (that is August 2, 6am in Japan) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> pal: This timeslot was made to try to accommodate everyone >> >>>>>> including Sylvia in Australia, so I think we should give this >> >>>>>> timeslot another try. >> >>>>>> ... so let's try August 1st, 2pm Los Angeles time. >> >>>>>> ... Thank you every - look forward to speaking to you again in >> >>>>>> 2 weeks. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> <kaz> [ adjourned ] >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Summary of Action Items >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> [NEW] ACTION: pal to post the Consensus Input to the Interest >> >>>>>> Group reflector [recorded in >> >>>>>> [15]http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-webtv-minutes.html#action01] >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> [End of minutes] >> >>>>>> __________________________________________________________ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Minutes formatted by David Booth's [16]scribe.perl version >> >>>>>> 1.138 ([17]CVS log) >> >>>>>> $Date: 2013-07-11 21:46:40 $ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> [16] >> >>>>>> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm >> >>>>>> [17] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>
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