- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 01:38:40 +0900
- To: public-web-and-tv@w3.org
available at: http://www.w3.org/2011/08/25-webtv-minutes.html also as text below. Kazuyuki --- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Media Pipeline Task Force Teleconference 25 Aug 2011 [2]Agenda [2] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_25th_August_2011 See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/08/25-webtv-irc Attendees Present Kazuyuki, davidmays_JanL, Clarke, Bob, gondo, Russell, duncanr, Giuseppe, Steven, Mark_Vickers, aizu, igarashi, Mark_Watson, Juhani Regrets Chair Clarke Scribe kaz Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]f2f 2. [6]issue review * [7]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ f2f clarke: anything to add? ... comments on the ML is welcome issue review clarke: any questions? (nop) issue-44? <trackbot> ISSUE-44 -- Continuous Streaming by Continuous Playlist -- raised <trackbot> [8]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/44 [8] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/44 <Clarke> issue 44: [9]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Continuou s_Streaming_2' [9] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Continuous_Streaming_2' -> [10]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Continuo us_Streaming_2 issue-44 [10] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Continuous_Streaming_2 clarke: any comments? Mark Vickers joined clarke: 44 is playlist <scribe> ACTION: clarke to change the title of issue-44 from "continuous streaming 2" to "playlist" [recorded in [11]http://www.w3.org/2011/08/25-webtv-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Change the title of issue-44 from "continuous streaming 2" to "playlist" [on Clarke Stevens - due 2011-09-01]. bob: live streaming is supported by HTML5 ... I'll add dependency issue-45? <trackbot> ISSUE-45 -- Time Synchronization (continuous stream) -- raised <trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/45 [12] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/45 clarke: time synchronization ... not sure a use case for MPTF -> [13]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Time_Syn chronization issue-45 [13] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Time_Synchronization issue-46? <trackbot> ISSUE-46 -- Program Boundary Identification in Continuous Streams -- raised <trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/46 [14] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/46 clarke: program boundary -> [15]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Program_ Boundary issue-46 [15] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Program_Boundary clarke: comments/additions? bob: pointed out last week is timed text track mechanism clarke: will add a note ... any other comments? (nop) issue-37? <trackbot> ISSUE-37 -- View-Port support for Video Window -- raised <trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/37 [16] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/37 <Clarke> [17]issue-37 [17] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/ViewPort-Support clarke: are we ready to accept this? <igarashi> zakim p7 is igarashi clarke: couple ways for us to consider this ... suggest we go ahead and accept this ... any comments? (nop) RESOLUTION: accept issue-37 issue-45? <trackbot> ISSUE-45 -- Time Synchronization (continuous stream) -- raised <trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/45 [18] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/45 jan: would remove "This is not yet a real use case." :) -> [19]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Time_Syn chronization issue-45 [19] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Time_Synchronization jan: not sure how to phrase this ... in a continuous stream what is the semantics of video tags ... text under bullet "1" is good description clarke: ok ... next is content protection (issue-39) issue-39? <trackbot> ISSUE-39 -- TV Services and Media Transport Mapping -- raised <trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/39 [20] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/39 <Clarke> Issue: [21]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/TV_servi ces_transport_mapping [21] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/TV_services_transport_mapping <trackbot> Created ISSUE-47 - Http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/TV_services_ transport_mapping ; please complete additional details at [22]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/47/edit . [22] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/47/edit -> [23]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/TV_servi ces_transport_mapping issue-39 [23] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/TV_services_transport_mapping bob: how UAs identify audio tracks ... type of media stream, e.g., MPEG2 TS, MPEG4 ISOBMFF, DASH ... DOM API specified ... the use case is in-band track types ... will update the use case clarke: topic for f2f bob: will commit before the f2f clarke: any other comments? (nop) jan: 45 is updated issue-40 issue-40? <trackbot> ISSUE-40 -- Content delivery in distribution windows -- raised <trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/40 [24] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/40 -> [25]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery _in_distribution_windows issue-40 [25] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery_in_distribution_windows bob: content protection discussion ... more objective space ... from Cable industry perspective, content owners are going to require for content protection ... delivery windows ... use case is commercial content delivery clarke: just on definition bob: traditional definition ... could be captured within some of the other my use cases jan: distribution window is DRM perspective bob: motivation here is content owner has demand clarke: a specific Web page linked to DRM? bob: number of implication I have to address ... how HTML5 UA should support this ... business/commercial need should be addressed kaz: good topic for workshop as well clarke: bob submitted this topic to the workshp bob: my paper covers this kaz: will talk with the PC guys and suggest we talk about this during the ws juhani: question about issue-40, etc. ... what to standardize? ... interested in content security technical requirement bob: will put that into the use case ... also mention what needs to be standardized juhani: ok issue-41? <trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Support of Content Owner Property Rights -- raised <trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/41 [26] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/41 -> [27]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Content_ owner_rights issue-41 [27] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Content_owner_rights bob: required by UltraViolet or DECE ... DECE has specific technical requirements ... consumer contents <JanL> +q bob: we'd like to cover DECE's requirements clarke: ok <JanL> -q jan: the link in the use case is broken ... "Common content security technical requirements." igarashi: my assumption is HTML just render <Clarke> Here's a link to the common content protection requirements: [28]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery _in_distribution_windows/Common_content_secuirty_requirements [28] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery_in_distribution_windows/Common_content_secuirty_requirements igarashi: no consideration on this kind of offline processing? bob: good point ... the case of downloading content case ... streaming is most relevant for HTML5 ... good observation to think about both streaming and downloading igarashi: good to see both the cases ... there are technical differences bob: agree clarke: the correct URL for the broken link of "Common content security technical requirements." is [29]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery _in_distribution_windows/Common_content_secuirty_requirements [29] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery_in_distribution_windows/Common_content_secuirty_requirements issue-42? <trackbot> ISSUE-42 -- Content delivery to personal computers -- raised <trackbot> [30]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/42 [30] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/42 -> [31]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery _to_pc issue-42 [31] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery_to_pc bob: both aspects are important ... An off-the-shelf browser such as Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer, Opera or Safari. ... and An application incorporating a browser downloaded from a service provider. issue-43? <trackbot> ISSUE-43 -- Content delivery to retail consumer electronics devices -- raised <trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/43 [32] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/43 -> [33]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery _to_ce issue-43 [33] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery_to_ce bob: retail consumer electronics device with an embedded application ... more specialized ... (explains motivation) davidmays: HTML5 UA should identify what content protection capabilities they have so that applications can present appropriate content based on that level of protection capability bob: 1st one is general web delivery ... then content protection ... content protection is good or bad <davidmays> HTML5 UA should identify what content protection capabilities they have so that applications can present appropriate content based on that level of protection capability giuseppe: what if browsers are not shipped with DRM capability? juhani: I'm for the requirements ... DRM support should be useful ... how to solve this problem should be defined bob: plugins can be used by UAs for that purpose ... however, there is a link <giuseppe> kaz is mark watson giuseppe: plugin for DRM is wrong point to start... ... do you need fall-back mechanism? ... video element itself is not aware if plugins handle it bob: we use video element for content protection ... existing video tag provides the capability giuseppe: video tag itself handles rendering, not necessarily aware of content protection jan: how do we recommend extending video tag's capability itself ... good topic for the workshop giuseppe: if you want to standardize, need to consider who does what clarke: we'll continue the discussion next week <Clarke> thanks, kaz thanks, Clarke! <Clarke> -Clarke <Russell_Berkoff> thanks Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: clarke to change the title of issue-44 from "continuous streaming 2" to "playlist" [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2011/08/25-webtv-minutes.html#action01] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [35]scribe.perl version 1.136 ([36]CVS log) $Date: 2011/08/25 16:21:49 $ [35] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [36] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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