- From: Loïc Martínez Normand <loic@fi.upm.es>
- Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:54:02 +0200
- To: Peter Korn <peter.korn@oracle.com>
- Cc: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, "public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org" <public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAJpUyz=TKARTzgumQhu9ZJ=hJXriR-p4N_AMtt4=cYPt=a02fA@mail.gmail.com>
Dear all, Thank you Gregg for providing these good examples of sets of documents, which I agree they are. But I'm with Peter about conforming to 2.4.5 (multiple ways). I don't think that there two examples meet 2.4.5 either as web content or as a set of documents once downloaded in one computer. I don't think that the techniques defined for 2.4.5 are applied in those two examples. Best regards, Loïc On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Peter Korn <peter.korn@oracle.com> wrote: > Hi Gregg, > > I'm afraid I don't see how these example documents meet 2.4.5 Multiple > Ways - either using Proposal #9 at > https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/2-operable/24-provide-ways-to-help-users-navigate-find-content-and-determine-where-they-are/245-multiple-waysor frankly just as web pages using WCAG 2.0. > > In the Muse Test Suite example, the filenames are "MUSE_DTF4.1p_V07.pdf" > and "MUSE_DTF4.2p_V05.pdf" (or perhaps "6BED1d01.pdf" and "57013d01.pdf" as > that is what they get as temporary filenames when passed to my copy of > Adobe Reader). Neither of these are "Test Suite, Part 1: Test Objectives" > or "Test Suite, Part 2: Test Methods" - so internal references to those > filenames don't exist (so I don't see how that would be "one of the > multiple ways"). This same situation arises with the Audacity example - > the filesystem filenames don't match the document filenames ("Super-Fast > Guide to Audio Editing" vs. "Audacity_Guide.pdf" and "Editing Audio with > Audacity (Part 2)" vs. "EditingAudioPart2.pdf"). > > Also, proposal #9 lacks the NOTE at the end of proposal #8, but even > following that NOTE, since not all documents in both examples contain links > to the other, the only "way" of the necessary at least 2 ways that I find > is "searching the documents' contents"). > > > So... while I think these are good examples of a "set of documents" - at > least for purposes of our discussion - I don't see them as examples of > documents that pass our contemplated tests for 2.4.5 (let alone passing > WCAG 2.4.5 when viewing them as web pages). > > > Peter > > > On 9/8/2012 2:52 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > Currently they are web pages. And the do meet WCAG as web pages. > > I can't comment on their meeting WCAG in other contexts since > a) the other context is not described > b) the WCAG2ICT hasn’t said how WCAG would be applied to those other > contexts. > > Given the discussions we have been having in WCAG2ICT though -- I would > see no problem in the documents meeting what the WCAG2ICT has been > discussing, and doing so in most any context that I can think of (e.g. > saved from an email, on a server, in a folder together on a drive, of flash > memory stick, etc.) except if you split them up -- but we specifically > exclude a set that has been broken up from being still considered a set -- > so I guess they would pass that too. > > > *Gregg* > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > On Sep 7, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Peter Korn <peter.korn@oracle.com> wrote: > > Gregg, > > Thanks for finding these examples! > > Looking at the first set (Muse Test Suite), in your opinion should these > pass or fail the SC? In your reading of the draft SC language, do they > pass or fail? Any why? > > Same questions for the second set (User Guide to Audio editing...)... > > > Peter > > > On 9/6/2012 11:29 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote: > > here are two examples > > > 1. Muse Test Suite, Part 1 Test Objectives (link<http://www.ist-muse.org/Deliverables/TF4/MUSE_DTF4.1p_V07.pdf>) > & Part 2 Test Methods (link<http://www.ist-muse.org/Deliverables/TF4/MUSE_DTF4.2p_V05.pdf> > ). > - Published together on Jan 6, 2006. Labeled as a set in 1.1 Scope. > > 2. User Guide to Audio editing with Audacity, Part 1 (link<http://www.jtoolkit.com/audio/Audacity_Guide.pdf>) > & Part 2 (link <http://www.jtoolkit.com/audio/EditingAudioPart2.pdf>). > - Published together in 2009 and labeled as a set in Part 2. > > > > > > *Gregg* > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > <oracle_sig_logo.gif> <http://www.oracle.com/> > Peter Korn | Accessibility Principal > Phone: +1 650 506 9522 <+1%20650%20506%209522> > Oracle Corporate Architecture Group > 500 Oracle Parkway | Redwood City, CA 94065 > ------------------------------ > Note: @sun.com e-mail addresses no longer function; be sure to use: > peter.korn@oracle.com to reach me > ------------------------------ > <green-for-email-sig_0.gif> <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is > committed to developing practices and products that help protect the > environment > > > > -- > [image: Oracle] <http://www.oracle.com> > Peter Korn | Accessibility Principal > Phone: +1 650 5069522 <+1%20650%205069522> > 500 Oracle Parkway | Redwood City, CA 94065 > > [image: Green Oracle] <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is > committed to developing practices and products that help protect the > environment > -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Loïc Martínez-Normand DLSIIS. 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