RE: SCOPE element

Thanks again, David. I didn't mean to say anything about rowspan and
colspan-- not sure whether/how JAWS supports these. I was talking (I
thought) just about rowgroup and colgroup elements, which are now
supported.
 
John
 
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: David MacDonald [mailto:befree@magma.ca] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:26 PM
To: Slatin, John M; public-wcag-teamc@w3.org
Subject: RE: SCOPE element



Oops typo JAWS 9 should and been 8

 

 

Thanks John

 

Thanks for the correction about SCOPE, up its an attribute for TH and
TR. Sorry.

 

I think colgroup and colspan are two different things. Colgroup is an
element colspan is an attribute.

 

Table cells can span across more than one column or row. The attributes
COLSPAN ("how many across") and ROWSPAN ("how many down") indicate how
many columns or rows a cell should take up.

 

COLGROUP is an element that defines groups of table columns. With this
element, you can group columns for formatting. This element is only
valid inside the <table> tag. But it's purpose is not really to be used
with the SCOPE.

 

JAWS 7.1 and 9 might support COLGROUP but are you sure they support
COLSPAN. I ask you about that because Shailesh said COLSPAN is not
supported.

 

Like I say. This is a hairy and confusing beast.

 

Cheers

David MacDonald

 

 

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From: public-wcag-teamc-request@w3.org
[mailto:public-wcag-teamc-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Slatin, John M
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:55 PM
To: David MacDonald; public-wcag-teamc@w3.org
Subject: RE: SCOPE element

 

David, thanks so much for this rewrite (and the backstage work hat went
into it). 

 

A couple of notes:

 

1. scope is an attribute, not an element. It is defined for both <th>
and <td> elements, as well as <rowgroup> and <colgroup>. The scope
attribute can have a value.  of "wor" or "col" (e.g., schoe="row" or
scope="col").

2. <rowgroup> and <colgroup> are elements; they're not the same as the
*attributes* rowspan and colspan (which have integer values, e.g.,
rowspan=3")

3. JAWS 7.10 introduced support for <rowgroup> and <colgroup> elements
(it's much better in JAWS 8.0)

4. JAWS 8.0 supports the scope attribute in complex tables, including
its use with <rowgroup> and <colgroup>; at least one bug has been
identified, but a patch has been released since then and I don't know
whether the bug has been repaired or not.

 

I hope this helps.

 

John

"Good design is accessible design." 

Dr. John M. Slatin, Director
Accessibility Institute
University of Texas at Austin
FAC 248C
1 University Station G9600
Austin, TX 78712
ph 512-495-4288, fax 512-495-4524
email john_slatin@austin.utexas.edu
Web  <http://www.ital.utexas.edu/>
http://www.utexas.edu/research/accessibility 

-----Original Message-----
From: public-wcag-teamc-request@w3.org
[mailto:public-wcag-teamc-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of David MacDonald
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:28 PM
To: public-wcag-teamc@w3.org
Subject: SCOPE element

I had an action to revise H63 on the SCOPE element. It was a killer but
I think its good now.  It is here:

 

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/issue-tracking/viewdata_individual.php?i
d=1078

 

or:

 

http://tinyurl.com/26m25j

 

 

David MacDonald

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        ...barriers disable them...

 

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