- From: Christophe Strobbe <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be>
- Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:43:43 +0200
- To: <public-wcag-teamc@w3.org>
Hi, I mailed Chris Ridpath about his comment and he responded: <quote> I agree that it is a good idea to use the P element to group related sentences but I think that most writers already do this. I don't believe there is an accessibility problem that is addressed by this technique. Have you seen an example of a web page that does not use the P element and creates an accessibility problem? </quote> I have also been looking for languages that don't use the concept of paragraph (contacting several linguists and polyglots), and I found the following: * "Classical Greek was writen in a continuous script with no breaks in an absolute sense: none for paragraphs, sentences, phrases, or words. In short, there was no punctuation whatsoever." (http://www.cogsci.ecs.soton.ac.uk/cgi/psyc/newpsy?3.61) * Some writing systems were developed by people who were familiar with a European orthography. Literacy levels can influence the use of punctuation, paragraphs, etctera. * Many written traditions did not start with prose but with other traditional forms, such as the epic or the hymn, where lines are grouped in a different manner, such as rhyming couplets or stanzas. Paragraphs are typical of "serious" prose writing (philosophical, historical etcetera). (See one of the comments at http://www.languagehat.com/archives/002448.php.) * "The trend for all languages appears to be to use something we'd call paragraphs. But many only started using them in the past century, and one should be able to post documents in those pre-modern formats on the WWW." (Another comment at http://www.languagehat.com/archives/002448.php.) This statement seems to be confirmed by Wikipedia for Chinese and Japanese, where punctuation marks "only came into use relatively recently, the ancient forms of these languages having no punctuation at all. Traditional poetry and calligraphy maintains this punctuation-free style." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation#East_Asian_punctuation). * "Classical Arabic never seemed to have paragraphs. Although, I'd have to say, Modern Standard Arabic uses paragraphs, but a lot of Arabic bloggers and religious writers/bloggers tend to ramble on for several pages in each post with absolutely no use of paragraphs, despite the ramblings being broken up logically." (Another comment at http://www.languagehat.com/archives/002448.php.) * In languages that are in use today, poetry does not use paragraphs or sentences but lines and stanzas. * For examples of orthographies without paragraphs, I was told to start with the less alphabetic scripts. Nakhi or Naxi divides the 'page' into small boxes that contain text (see the examples at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Frescoes_Baisha_11-25-2005_3-35-13_PM.jpg). In his "Dictionary of Languages", Andrew Dalby also reproduces an example of the Nakhi/Naxi writing system and adds: "The poem is in five-syllable lines. A box of characters represents a sentence or sentence-unit, (...)". However, it is not clear whether the thicker lines represent paragraphs. * Paragraph may be defined as - a portion of text two markers for a subdivision of text (e.g. indentation, or specific characters or other written markers), i.e. what it looks like, or - a discourse structure containing a topic sentence, supporting sentences and a concluding sentence. However, the latter does not seem to correspond well with Japanese "danraku" (usually translated as "paragraph") because danraku seem to have a different structure. (According to an article at http://www.jalt.org/pansig/2004/HTML/KimKon.htm, Japanese students of English use danraku-like structures when writing English essays; as a result, these essays are often considered to lack focus and be poorly organized by native speakers of English.) Regards, Christophe -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Departement of Electrical Engineering - Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 - 3001 Leuven-Heverlee - BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 http://www.docarch.be/ Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
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