RE: Propose removing one HTML techniques for 2.4.5

Maybe the title for the technique should use the word "descriptive"
(instead of "important" or "meaningful" or "natural")?
 
That would also map to SC 2.4.6 Titles, headings, and labels are
descriptive.
 
(i.e., the title attribute of the <frame> element would provide a
descriptive label for the frame.; typically this is a generic
description such as "menu," "content," "footer," etc. These titles show
up in the lsit of frames generated by screen readers, talking
browsers,etc.
 
John
 

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	Older screen readers were inconsistent in whether they supported
name or title attributes for the frame element. (If I remember right,
WIndow-Eyes used title and JAWS used name.)
	 
	JAWS, Window-Eyes, and HPR have all supported title for some
time now. (But I think there's a legacy keystroke in JAWS that gives you
the name, not the title-- or maybe it's a Windows keystroke: F6).
	 
	John
	 
	
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	John Slatin, Ph.D.
	Director, Accessibility Institute
	University of Texas at Austin
	FAC 248C
	1 University Station G9600
	Austin, TX 78712
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		Subject: RE: Propose removing one HTML techniques for
2.4.5
		
		

		How about removing "meaningful" or change it to "natural
language"  but keep the technique (unless you already have one for a
name on a frame). 

		 

		
		Gregg
		
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[mailto:public-wcag-teamb-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Becky Gibson
			Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:27 AM
			To: public-wcag-teamb@w3.org
			Subject: Propose removing one HTML techniques
for 2.4.5

			
			I didn't see discussion of this in the minutes
from the February 14, teamb call.  I propose that we remove the
following technique from 2.4.5 since I don't think it is testable.   
			
			Providing a meaningful name to identify frames
<http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Providing_a_meaningful_
name_to_identify_frames> . [2]. This technique talks about adding a name
attribute to frames for technologies which do not support the title
attribute.  Is this really an issue? Are there assistive technologies
which do not support title on frame and if so, do they even support the
name attribute?   
			
			
			[1]
http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Providing_a_meaningful_n
ame_to_identify_frames 
			
			Becky Gibson
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