- From: John M Slatin <john_slatin@austin.utexas.edu>
- Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:57:04 -0600
- To: "Li, Alex" <alex.li@sap.com>, "Gregg Vanderheiden" <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, <public-wcag-teama@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <6EED8F7006A883459D4818686BCE3B3B01249108@MAIL01.austin.utexas.edu>
Alex, The definition isn't saying that the *data* are free and publicly available: Try it this way: The software (for example, AT) uses a free, publicly documented method to extract and present information from the data (i.e., source code, etc., etc.). This doesn't mean that your data or your application have to be made public. Does this help? JOhnhelp "Good design is accessible design." John Slatin, Ph.D. Director, Accessibility Institute University of Texas at Austin FAC 248C 1 University Station G9600 Austin, TX 78712 ph 512-495-4288, f 512-495-4524 email jslatin@mail.utexas.edu web http://www.utexas.edu/research/accessibility/ <http://www.utexas.edu/research/accessibility/> ________________________________ From: public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org [mailto:public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Li, Alex Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 11:34 am To: Gregg Vanderheiden; John M Slatin; public-wcag-teama@w3.org Subject: RE: programmatically determined The way I make my accessible data available to AT is only available to my customers and the AT partner. I don't need anybody else to see it, nor would it help the general public to know how to understand my data because they don't have access to our technology anyway. ________________________________ From: Gregg Vanderheiden [mailto:gv@trace.wisc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:20 AM To: Li, Alex; 'John M Slatin'; public-wcag-teama@w3.org Subject: RE: programmatically determined are you talking about DRM? i dont understand your comment. If the person has the book in front of them and can read it visually - they should be able to programmatically access the user interface componetnts. not sure what you are saying. can you say again. tell us what your worry is. thanks Gregg -- ------------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. Director - Trace R & D Center University of Wisconsin-Madison The Player for my DSS sound file is at http://tinyurl.com/dho6b <http://tinyurl.com/cmfd9> ________________________________ From: Li, Alex [mailto:alex.li@sap.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:53 AM To: Gregg Vanderheiden; John M Slatin; public-wcag-teama@w3.org Subject: RE: programmatically determined If the content is not free or publicly available, then the data associated with the content accessibility for software use would not need to be free and publicly available either. If the content is free and available to the public, then the data should be available freely and publicly. This is a show stopper if not addressed. -Alex ________________________________ From: public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org [mailto:public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Gregg Vanderheiden Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:21 AM To: 'John M Slatin'; public-wcag-teama@w3.org Subject: RE: programmatically determined john the phrase "user-agent-supported" is an adjective along with publicly documented so if i rearranged the words as you suggest - this and other sentences fall apart. this one becomes determined by software from data provided in a publicly documented and manner supported by user-agents Gregg -- ------------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. Director - Trace R & D Center University of Wisconsin-Madison The Player for my DSS sound file is at http://tinyurl.com/dho6b <http://tinyurl.com/cmfd9> ________________________________ From: public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org [mailto:public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of John M Slatin Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:35 AM To: Gregg Vanderheiden; public-wcag-teama@w3.org Subject: RE: programmatically determined I hadn't remembered quite such significant edits, but I think it's OK. I'd like to suggst a slight editorial tweak for readability: change "user agent supported manner" to "manner supported by user agents" in the text of the definition. Change the Note to read "Supported by user agents means ..." These do not affect the substance of either the definition or the note. But "user agent supported" is hard to read and understand. John "Good design is accessible design." John Slatin, Ph.D. Director, Accessibility Institute University of Texas at Austin FAC 248C 1 University Station G9600 Austin, TX 78712 ph 512-495-4288, f 512-495-4524 email jslatin@mail.utexas.edu web http://www.utexas.edu/research/accessibility/ <http://www.utexas.edu/research/accessibility/> ________________________________ From: public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org [mailto:public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Gregg Vanderheiden Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:09 am To: public-wcag-teama@w3.org Subject: programmatically determined is this what we came up with for PD today? tried to pull it together from our discussion removed standard removed free programmatically determined determined by software from data provided in a publicly documented and user-agent supported manner. Note: Publicly documented here means that documents are available in a free and accessible manner to the public, including availability on the Web. Note: User-agent supported here means that user agents and assisted technologies support the method for extracting and presenting this information. One of the factors that should be considered before adding a technology to a baseline would be the availability of affordable user agents and assisted technologies which support the technology. Gregg ------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. Professor - Depts of Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. Director - Trace R & D Center University of Wisconsin-Madison <http://trace.wisc.edu/ <http://trace.wisc.edu/> > FAX 608/262-8848 For a list of our list discussions http://trace.wisc.edu/lists/ The Player for my DSS sound file is at http://tinyurl.com/dho6b <http://trace.wisc.edu:8080/mailman/listinfo/>
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