FW: CLARIFICATION from Gregg Vanderheiden on 2006-06-21 (public-wcag-teama@w3.org from June 2006)

From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:13:03 -0500
To: <public-wcag-teama@w3.org>
Message-ID: <00b901c69555$f51dfda0$8b17a8c0@NC6000BAK>
 



Gregg

 -- ------------------------------ 
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center 
University of Wisconsin-Madison 
The Player for my DSS sound file is at http://tinyurl.com/dho6b 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa Seeman [mailto:lisa@ubaccess.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:37 AM
To: Gregg Vanderheiden
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION

thanks

also please piont out to the group that there are many more people with LD
then who are blind

All the best and thanks again
Lisa



----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregg Vanderheiden" <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
To: "'Lisa Seeman'" <lisa@ubaccess.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: CLARIFICATION


> Done
>
>
>
> Gregg
>
> -- ------------------------------ 
> Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
> Director - Trace R & D Center
> University of Wisconsin-Madison
> The Player for my DSS sound file is at http://tinyurl.com/dho6b
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lisa Seeman [mailto:lisa@ubaccess.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:40 PM
>> To: Gregg Vanderheiden
>> Subject: Fw: CLARIFICATION
>>
>> please forward my comments on to team A
>> thanks
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org>
>> To: <lisa@ubaccess.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION
>>
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>> > Sometimes the text may say something that most people find
>> easy and "
>> > obvious"
>> >
>> > such as: "fill in your social security number"
>> >
>> > A video clip may show you how to find your  social security
>> number,  what
>> > it might be written on etc.
>> >
>> > this clip is for extra information for  people with non
>> localized LD. It
>> > can be really easy to make using a simple web cam. A large
>> website could
>> > have a library of small clips that take you through
>> important tasks or
>> > information.
>> > These clips make the tasks and information accessible.
>> >
>> > Making them require synchronized captions mean that they
>> are suddenly
>> > burdensome to make. Hence people will make less of them, hence
>> > accessibility will be defeated.
>> >
>> > All the best
>> > Lisa
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >  From: Gregg Vanderheiden
>> >  To: 'Lisa Seeman'
>> >  Cc: public-wcag-teama@w3.org
>> >  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:28 AM
>> >  Subject: CLARIFICATION
>> >
>> >
>> >  In your comment below you ask for an exception for video
>> that is added to
>> > make things clearer for those with cognitive disabilities.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  Usually, you do not have to caption a video if the
>> information is already
>> > presented on the same page in text.
>> >
>> >  So if you are talking about video only - you are ok.
>> >
>> >  If it is audio only you are ok.
>> >
>> >  The only problem would be if you adding audio-visual
>> multimedia and the
>> > visual is not redundant with the audio.
>> >
>> >  What do you have in mind when you say 'add an animation clip'.
>> >
>> >  If you really mean just video - and it is an alternate to
>> the text on the
>> > page - then you are all set.  Not caption or description is
>> required and
>> > thus you need no exception.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  Can you give us a more specific example of what you mean?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  Gregg
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  Document: WCAG 2.0 Guidelines
>> >  Submitter: Lisa Seeman <lisa@ubaccess.com>
>> Affiliation: Invited
>> > expert at W3C, UB access
>> >  Comment Type: substantive
>> >  Location: media-equiv
>> >
>> >  Comment:
>> >  Comment (including rationale for any proposed change):
>> >
>> >  I am concerned that the requirement for real time
>> synrcrization put a lot
>> > of extra work on authors who would like to provide short
>> animations or
>> > clips that help people with learning disabilities fulfill a
>> task. On the
>> > whole, a lot of multi media, especially in education, is
>> good for many
>> > learning disabilities, and these requirements may act as a
>> step backwards
>> > for learning disabilities.
>> >
>> >  Proposed Change:
>> >
>> >  Make an exception in 1.2 for any content provides extra
>> help visual for
>> > tasks and information that has been described in text else wear.
>> >
>> >
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>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sometimes the text may say
>> something =
>> > that most=20
>> > people find easy and "&nbsp;obvious"</FONT></DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>such as:&nbsp;</FONT><FONT
>> face=3DArial =
>> > size=3D2>"fill=20
>> > in your social security number"</FONT></DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A video clip may show
>> you&nbsp;how to =
>> > find=20
>> > your&nbsp; social security number, &nbsp;what it might be
>> written on=20
>> > etc.</FONT></DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>this clip is for extra
>> information =
>> > for&nbsp; people=20
>> > with non localized LD. It can be really easy to make using
>> a simple web =
>> > cam. A=20
>> > large website could have a library of small clips that take
>> you through=20
>> > important tasks or information.</FONT></DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>These clips make the tasks and =
>> > information=20
>> > accessible.</FONT></DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Making them require synchronized =
>> > captions mean that=20
>> > they are suddenly burdensome to make. Hence people will
>> make less of =
>> > them, hence=20
>> > accessibility will be defeated.</FONT></DIV>
>> > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All the best</FONT></DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lisa</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
>> > size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> > <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
>> > <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>> > style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>> > BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> >  <DIV=20
>> >  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
>> > black"><B>From:</B>=20
>> >  <A title=3Dgv@trace.wisc.edu
>> href=3D"mailto:gv@trace.wisc.edu">Gregg=20
>> >  Vanderheiden</A> </DIV>
>> >  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
>> > title=3Dlisa@ubaccess.com=20
>> >  href=3D"mailto:lisa@ubaccess.com">'Lisa Seeman'</A> </DIV>
>> >  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
>> > title=3Dpublic-wcag-teama@w3.org=20
>> >
>> href=3D"mailto:public-wcag-teama@w3.org">public-wcag-teama@w3.
>> org</A> =
>> > </DIV>
>> >  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June
>> 19, 2006 =
>> > 7:28 AM</DIV>
>> >  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> CLARIFICATION</DIV>
>> >  <DIV><BR></DIV>
>> >  <DIV class=3DSection1>
>> >  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In your
>> comment below =
>> > you ask for=20
>> >  an exception for video that is added to make things
>> clearer for those =
>> > with=20
>> >  cognitive disabilities.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>> >  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
>> > Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>> >  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Usually, you
>> do not have =
>> > to=20
>> >  caption a video if the information is already presented on
>> the same =
>> > page in=20
>> >  text. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>> >  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So if you
>> are talking =
>> > about video=20
>> >  only =96 you are ok. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>> >  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If it is
>> audio only you =
>> > are ok.=20
>> >  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>> >  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The only
>> problem would =
>> > be if you=20
>> >  adding audio-visual multimedia and the visual is not
>> redundant with =
>> > the audio.=20
>> >  <BR><BR>What do you have in mind when you say 'add an
>> animation clip'. =
>> >
>> >  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>> >  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you
>> really mean just =
>> > video =96=20
>> >  and it is an alternate to the text on the page =96 then
>> you are all =
>> > set.&nbsp;=20
>> >  Not caption or description is required and thus you need no=20
>> >  exception.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>> >  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
>> > Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>> >  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Can you give
>> us a more =
>> > specific=20
>> >  example of what you mean? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>> >  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
>> > Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>> >  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks=20
>> >  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>> >  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
>> > Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>> >  <P><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
>> face=3D"Monotype =
>> > Corsiva"=20
>> >  size=3D4><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Monotype =
>> > Corsiva'">Gregg<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>> >  <P><FONT face=3D"Monotype Corsiva" size=3D4><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Monotype =
>> > Corsiva'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>> >  <P><FONT face=3DCoronet size=3D4><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
>> > Coronet"><BR></SPAN></FONT><BR><STRONG><B><FONT=20
>> >  face=3D"Times New Roman">Document:</FONT></B></STRONG> WCAG 2.0=20
>> >  Guidelines<BR><STRONG><B><FONT=20
>> >  face=3D"Times New Roman">Submitter:</FONT></B></STRONG>
>> Lisa Seeman=20
>> >  =
>> >
>> &lt;lisa@ubaccess.com&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<STRONG
>> ><B><FONT=20
>> >  face=3D"Times New Roman">Affiliation:</FONT></B></STRONG> Invited =
>> > expert at W3C,=20
>> >  UB access<BR><STRONG><B><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Comment=20
>> >  Type:</FONT></B></STRONG> substantive<BR><STRONG><B><FONT=20
>> >  face=3D"Times New Roman">Location:</FONT></B></STRONG> <A=20
>> >  =
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>> href=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/complete.html#media-equiv"
>> >media-equi=
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>> >  <P><STRONG><B><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
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>> > 12pt">Comment:</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><BR>Comment=20
>> >  (including rationale for any proposed change): <BR><BR>I
>> am concerned =
>> > that the=20
>> >  requirement for real time synrcrization put a lot of extra
>> work on =
>> > authors who=20
>> >  would like to provide short animations or clips that help
>> people with =
>> > learning=20
>> >  disabilities fulfill a task. On the whole, a lot of multi media, =
>> > especially in=20
>> >  education, is good for many learning disabilities, and these =
>> > requirements may=20
>> >  act as a step backwards for learning disabilities.
>> <BR><BR>Proposed =
>> > Change:=20
>> >  <BR><BR>Make an exception in 1.2 for any content provides
>> extra help =
>> > visual=20
>> >  for tasks and information that has been described in text else=20
>> >  wear.<o:p></o:p></P>
>> >  <P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
>> > size=3D3><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>> >  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"
>> size=3D3><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>> >  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"
>> size=3D3><SPAN=20
>> >  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
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>> 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></
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>> > --Boundary_(ID_2YRzpl/p5kcmzOp6E9jAVg)--
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