Re: Change title of Conformance in the context of WCAG-EM

Vivienne,

I agree that a Claim of WCAG Compliance for an entire website is 
necessarily a claim that every individual page of that website 
individually complies with WCAG.  There is no "full" or "partial" 
adjective defined by WCAG for conformance; it is a simple yes/no.

And that is the point - it is going to be nearly impossible for websites 
of any size to make a WCAG conformance claim for the site. Which is why 
a WCAG-EM report can (and should) be a usable alternative to the 
essentially impossible WCAG Conformance Claim for a website.


Regards,

Peter

On 9/10/2013 5:06 PM, WebKeyIT wrote:
>
> HI all
>
> I think we need to be really careful here.  I agree with Peter that 
> many organisations will be drawn to WCAG-EM hoping that it will allow 
> them to make WCAG conformance claims.  I'd rather not do away with the 
> word completely, but describe what WCAG conformance actually means 
> (every page, every point), and how WCAG-EM can assist with checking a 
> sample of pages (for which theoretically conformance could be claimed 
> for the sample, if every page of the sample met the level claimed), 
> but that every page of whole site would need to be brought into line 
> with that claim if someone wanted to claim full WCAG complilance.
>
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> *From:*Peter Korn [mailto:peter.korn@oracle.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 11 September 2013 3:36 AM
> *To:* Shadi Abou-Zahra
> *Cc:* Velleman, Eric; public-wai-evaltf@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: Change title of Conformance in the context of WCAG-EM
>
> Shadi,
>
> Whether or not we use the word "conformance" in the title/sub-title of 
> this section, I do believe it is important to address the issue head 
> on: that many will be looking for WCAG-EM to describe how to assess 
> "WCAG conformance" of an entire website or web application.  So I 
> believe we cannot banish the word "conformance" from the document.  
> Rather, I think we need to expressly observe what WCAG conformance is, 
> and why WCAG-EM is not (and cannot) describe a mechanism for 
> evaluating that for an entire website / web application.
>
> And as part of that, we would then describe what we ARE doing, give it 
> a name (that doesn't include "conformance"), etc.
>
>
> Peter
>
> On 9/9/2013 7:41 AM, Shadi Abou-Zahra wrote:
>
>     Hi Eric,
>
>     I'd prefer if we could avoid using the word conformance at all. We
>     do not (for good reasons) define conformance with WCAG-EM.
>
>     I don't have a specific wording suggestion but I can't help to
>     wonder about the relationship between this section and the
>     existing "Scope of this document" section. Maybe these sections
>     can be combined, or this text can be included as a sub-section of
>     the scope section?
>
>     Best,
>       Shadi
>
>
>     On 9.9.2013 15:38, Velleman, Eric wrote:
>
>         For discussion: In the current proposal, the title of the new
>         section ("Conformance in the context of WCAG-EM") can be
>         understood as redefining WCAG and that is not the intent. We
>         could change to:
>         - "Issues of conformance" or
>         - "WCAG-EM conformance output" or
>         - "Conformance in the context of Evaluation" or
>         - "Your title here" :-)
>
>         This discussion addresses:
>         http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20130903#conformanceintro
>
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