Re: Continuous Development Process TPAC Slides

I like the presentation very much up until the "Additional Alternate Track" section.

  *   It seems to reflect the state of discussion before the Everteal proposal came out
  *   It talks about an alternative "track" rather than the incremental changes to the CR process described in the Everteal proposal.  I still think this is way too heavyweight and confusing, see issues 267, 271, 272
  *   It uses the "Evergreen" word, and I think there's agreement that all flavors of Ever* are internal labels that will distract and confuse the TPAC audiences

I'd suggest just providing a reference to the Everteal proposal and not trying to complicate the discussions at TPAC (at least the one to the AC). Maybe Everteal should get it's own Plenary Day breakout since it's the most likely to need input from the broad community / groups that are seeking a Living Standards-like option?

Bottom line: Focus on the patent policy fixes and the "Everblue" changes that address real problems in the process; Evergreen/Everteal is less "baked" and will probably confuse people who haven't followed the AB / Process CG discussion.  Note the remaining problems and encourage people to engage in the Process CG to find solutions that work for the broad community.

BTW, I'm unlikely to make it to TPAC in person due to lingering health issues, I will participate as best I can remotely.
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From: Michael Champion <Michael.Champion@microsoft.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 2:06 PM
To: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
Subject: Re: Continuous Development Process TPAC Slides

Hi Elika,

In case you don't hear this from another source ... Service Workers is another use case / motivating example that has come to my attention.  There is talk of moving to WHATWG if W3C doesn't introduce some sort of Living Standards option.  I personally suspect that the patent policy changes alone would be sufficient to keep them happy for the time being, since a CR with patent commitments would probably meet their minimum requirements (and not distract them with politics). I've asked for some of them to engage with the Process CG to give feedback on Everteal, but not sure anyone will do so.

I have other feedback I'll Reply All to.

Mike

p.s.  I'm not likely to get to TPAC for health reasons, Travis will be our AC rep at some point soon, and I'll probably retire by the end of the year or early next year.  I suspect I'll stay engaged in the Process CG, and possibly other areas of  W3C
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From: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 2:35 PM
To: W3C Process Community Group <public-w3process@w3.org>
Subject: Continuous Development Process TPAC Slides

Dear Process CG,
Plh and I have prepared some slides to go over the various Process proposals
for continuous development. You can find the latest draft here:
   Slides:
https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fpresentation%2Fd%2Fe%2F2PACX-1vSY6cySWt81srZWN_GWl4LMCFSJOw4dYeO-Tlx8Fj_50P5oc0IgzGXFGrZzT3t_cktR9pjDVfNfqmLh%2Fpub%3Fstart%3Dfalse%26loop%3Dfalse%26delayms%3D3000&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C1e2d22aa2dd64d70a02608d730b6b164%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637031433533250228&amp;sdata=BGE30uBE8Jiesqw7uyHlZxf6kC1NN39vTRdkMAO0kXU%3D&amp;reserved=0
   Editor:
https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fpresentation%2Fd%2F1jKiPIrbIH6RdJE15nYWA-xr1DDVuYAeurpfhu6Dug-c%2Fedit%23slide%3Did.g5e27cbf49c_0_0&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C1e2d22aa2dd64d70a02608d730b6b164%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637031433533250228&amp;sdata=Wy3%2FcSfcMN9cSi%2BM1aWNoCKHWi6fLhUmgRvAXVlihEM%3D&amp;reserved=0

Please send us any comments you have. We look forward to presenting at TPAC:
    9:10 Wed during the Plenary as a presentation
    ?:?? Wed as a break-out discussion session
   15:00 Thu at the AC meeting as presentation + discussion session

~fantasai