- From: Michael Champion <Michael.Champion@microsoft.com>
- Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 16:21:36 +0000
- To: "Siegman, Tzviya" <tsiegman@wiley.com>, "singer@apple.com" <singer@apple.com>, W3C Process CG <public-w3process@w3.org>
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I plan to attend.
Note however that we closed the OpenStand Principles issue on the last call so it should be agenda-
I suggest that getting shared sense of a realistic timeline for Process “2020” is and what its success criteria are is a top priority. I hope we prioritize fixing problems in the *process itself*, not the *document*. So long as there is a Director to authoritatively decide on what “substantive” means or whether comments have been addressed, we can keep doing what we’ve always done. The Editor should be given leeway to fix editorial issues so long as they don’t change the process itself.
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From: Siegman, Tzviya <tsiegman@wiley.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:50:46 AM
To: singer@apple.com <singer@apple.com>; W3C Process CG <public-w3process@w3.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: DRAFT-1 agenda for the Process Call Wednesday 13th Nov 7am PDT
I will be there for the first 30 minutes
Tzviya Siegman
Information Standards Lead
Wiley
201-748-6884
tsiegman@wiley.com
-----Original Message-----
From: singer@apple.com <singer@apple.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 3:46 AM
To: W3C Process CG <public-w3process@w3.org>
Subject: DRAFT-1 agenda for the Process Call Wednesday 13th Nov 7am PDT
I am on vacation, so this agenda may not be completely accurate. I hope to make the call.
**** If know you can and would make it, or conversely can’t and won’t, please reply and confirm or regret; we can asses then whether we’ll have a productive call. Thanks. ****
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IRC is #w3process
Log of prior meeting at <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2019%2F10%2F23-w3process-minutes.html&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759177099&sdata=4fHmqvGsI3k3P45BQ%2F8it1RIXfm6r1pj9L3%2FXUKa5dE%3D&reserved=0>
Usual meeting time: SECOND and FOURTH WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH AT 7AM PACIFIC
1) Assign scribe, etc.,
2) Registries and Living Standards.
I think we’re waiting on the outcome of the AB meeting next week.
3) Editorials, and (Other) Pull Requests and Issues tagged Agenda+
3.1) Pull Requests: <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fpulls%3Fq%3Dis%253Aopen%2Bis%253Apr%2Blabel%253AAgenda%252B&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=Y4TnrCAJQvBnQy0Gbk9vHSTRKHkDzq7qXbiy3SPaYYE%3D&reserved=0>
Make it clear than any decision can be objected to <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fpull%2F299&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=jyrT5WzJ4HWFytE6DriqJlZv7ivbeOOHNzo%2BYCFF9Vg%3D&reserved=0>
[Registries handled above]
3.2) Issues: <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=✓&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3AAgenda%2B+>
Retitle STATUS Sections to Avoid Double Definitions <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%2F336&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=wHvvZAPZtLNrlUCVjxsLT%2BRb7bdQpTkF3ESs163FjRI%3D&reserved=0>
New, need to decide how to proceed: add references to "Open Stand" principles #325 <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%2F325&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=jlIaiN6WDKbeIRFrlNOigcGWQBiKsEF0tts6lwBLuJo%3D&reserved=0>
4) Review of 2020 milestone; who has the action, where are we going, what’s next? Do we expect/hope/intend to finish these in P2020 or should we start slipping them?
4.1) assigned to someone, please be prepared to give any needed updates (briefly), or if you are blocked by something, explain what it is so we can unblock you:
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I think we (still) need to decide what the plan is on:
Substantive changes undefined for Charter and Process reviews <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%2F28&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=yFkqHe0pQDphpl2uua82BYbWQ3io6remviFH5i38jhY%3D&reserved=0>
Define charter review process to require addressing comments as in CR transitions <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%2F182&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=b%2FXBN2FMMQ52zCizbG%2BkzTYvovOznN49T%2FeZiQrgS6A%3D&reserved=0>
4.2) unassigned; none. <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=✓&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+milestone%3A%22Process+2020%22+no%3Aassignee+>
5) new issues and updates.
5.1) new since prior check: <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=✓&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E2019-03-13+>
There are many; I don’t intend to list them here.
If we reduce to those not either (a) evergreen or (b) director-free, and not (c) Agenda+, we have 9:
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It’s time to triage them. I’d like to draw particular attention to:
Recording of meetings <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%2F334&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=si4mHY%2FNtaFapjkHYcYUmVKyR7Y3wvkEmYiQyUXphPk%3D&reserved=0>
TAG and AB should be able to formally review charters <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%2F328&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=mltTOGdgR%2BBZSfkYTEOZ5Rc7DQlM1EVACDxcUqSaH58%3D&reserved=0>
Community and Business Groups <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%2F326&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=XjYmVIcj0IcdkNl7jWr6zSrYazoFRRNIWUQwH1fbP%2Fg%3D&reserved=0>
Do we need a lighter-weight process for superseding when it's "obvious”? <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%2F324&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=VIzVY9Ga%2FyOEjnmntNc00gm8mHJ7u4jsfSN26xm0x70%3D&reserved=0>
I’d like to encourage people to review them, and tag Agenda+ any that we could progress, or dispose of. Please?
5.2) updated but not any of:
Process2020 milestone
nor Evergreen
nor director-free
nor Agenda+
not assigned to the AB (Needs AB Feedback) <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fw3process%2Fissues%3Futf8&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.champion%40microsoft.com%7C7650ef7125604063a5ac08d7677fc40f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637091670759187086&sdata=d98sibLh5NRNXFVzOfY9MGQS3JpUks8%2BoRAOs4ArclA%3D&reserved=0=✓&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+updated%3A%3E2019-05-22+-label%3A%22Needs+AB+Feedback%22+-label%3AAgenda%2B+-milestone%3A%22Process+2020%22+-label%3AEvergreen+-label%3Adirector-free+>
I’d like to encourage people to review them, and tag Agenda+ any that we could progress, or dispose of. Please?
6) If we have time, Assigned, but not on the 2020 milestone (cherry-pick, if people have updates or questions for us):
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Some of these date from 2017. Surely time to clean out?
The usual closers:
7) Next meeting. formally Wed Nov 27th, which is Thanksgiving week and I will be off. Should we defer?
8) Any other business.
David Singer
Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
Received on Tuesday, 12 November 2019 16:21:43 UTC