- From: Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 09:43:31 -0500
- To: "Ralph TQ [Gmail]" <rhodgson@topquadrant.com>
- Cc: Mark Harrison <mark.harrison@cantab.net>, Martin Hepp <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>, W3C Web Schemas Task Force <public-vocabs@w3.org>, "Paul J. Keller" <paul.j.keller@nasa.gov>, "<steve.ray@sv.cmu.edu>" <steve.ray@sv.cmu.edu>, Jack Hodges <jack.hodges.ext@siemens.com>, Jack Spivak <jack@topquadrant.com>
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Ralph, QUDT: >From https://wrdrd.github.io/docs/consulting/knowledge-engineering#qudt > Homepage: http://www.linkedmodel.org/doc/qudt/1.1/ > Standard: http://qudt.org/ > Namespace: http://qudt.org/schema/qudt# > xmlns: @prefix qudt: <http://qudt.org/schema/qudt#> . > LOVLink: http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/vocabs/qudt > > QUDT (*Quantities, Units, Dimensions, and Types*) is an *RDF* > <https://wrdrd.com/docs/consulting/knowledge-engineering#rdf> standard > vocabulary for representing physical units. > > - QUDT is composed of a number of sub-vocabularies > - QUDT maintains conversion factors for Metric and Imperial Units > > A few JSON-LD examples could be very helpful. On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Ralph TQ [Gmail] <rhodgson@topquadrant.com> wrote: > Hello Mark, > > QUDT is now a non-profit organization with the desire to join W3C to move > forward on standardization. The management at NASA has given its approval > for QUDT to proceed with this. > > Release 2 is a substantial body of work that is finally reaching a > publication status. This involves the generation of content with support > for LaTeX formatting. Examples can be seen at the following web pages: > > > 1. The documentation on the QUDT schema - > http://www.linkedmodel.org/doc/2015/DOC_schema-qudt-v2.0 > 2. An example of a LaTeX rendered instance of the Hartree Unit - > http://www.linkedmodel.org/doc/2015/hartree > > The site www.linkedmodel.org has links to documentation for other > ontologies and for those that QUDT depends on (VAEM, VOAG and DTYPE). > > All the QUDT ontologies are managed on a GitHub site. There is also a > WordPress site. > > QUDT would welcome participation from others and once we become a member > of W3C a working group would be important to establish. Perhaps we should > have a discussion on how to get started? > > We have long believed that for (some) data to be truly linkable on the web > it benefits from being quantified. > > I will send another email setting out the remaining work we are doing on > the ontologies. In my view the most important of which is standardization > of the QNames of the units (e.g, unit:SEC for second, unit:S for Siemen, > and unit:KM-PER-SEC not unit:KM-PER-S) so that they are consistently > reference-able and conforms with their standard abbreviations . This work > is almost complete for SI units. > > Regards, > > > Ralph Hodgson, @ralphtq <http://twitter.com/ralphtq> > > TopQuadrant, Inc., www.topquadrant.com @TopQuadrant > <http://twitter.com/topquadrant> > *cell: +1 781-789-1664 <%2B1%20781-789-1664> / fax: 703 299-8330 > <703%20299-8330> / main: 919 300-7945 <919%20300-7945>* > > > On May 7, 2015, at 4:56 AM, Mark Harrison <mark.harrison@cantab.net> > wrote: > > Dear Martin, > > I understand your very valid concerns about Linked Data resources that are > not supported and maintained and end us wasting time for developers. > However, from this thread it also seems that there is quite some interest > in having a well recognised ontology for units of measure in which units > have corresponding stable URIs that link to definitions, UN ECE codes, > conversion factors and offsets, etc. QUDT 1.1 made a very good start on > this, although it had one or two inaccurate cross-references. For example, > I found within http://qudt.org/vocab/unit#Grain the following nonsensical > triple: > > <http://qudt.org/vocab/unit#Grain> skos:exactMatch < > http://dbpedia.org/resource/Cereal> . > > There are some other gaps in QUDT 1.1, such as missing resources for units > such as milligram, microgram - and because the SI base unit of mass is the > kilogram, it is not sufficient to simply define the multipliers such as > 'milli', 'micro', because we don't usually talk about milligrams as > microkilograms, for example. > > Having said that, if QUDT 1.1 were updated, corrected, supported a more > complete set of units and provided cross-references to the corresponding UN > ECE Common Code values as strings, I think it (or something very like it) > could be an extremely valuable resource for everyone, especially because of > the conversion factors and offsets. > > The QUDT.org website appears to be last updated in March 2014 and there > is some information and a presentation by Ralph Hodgson (copied) about the > plans for release 2.0 of QUDT. However, I'm not sure whether that work has > stalled or is under-resourced or is spending a long time in careful > internal review. Maybe those of us who are interested in making this > happen could offer to share the workload and accelerate the progress. In > case NASA / TopQuadrant is no longer the place to host it, then perhaps we > could reasonably ask W3C to host it in perpetuity and maintain a liaison > with the UN, ISO and other relevant bodies to ensure that we're aware of > their changes that should be reflected through maintenance updates to such > a vocabulary. > > We're soon hoping to see much more structured data about products being > published openly on the web as linked data, potentially including details > about ingredients, nutrition and allergens. GS1 has already prepared begun > drafting a web vocabulary [ see http://www.gs1.org/gtin_plus_public_review > ] to help manufacturers and retailers express such information in much > richer detail than they can currently using schema.org alone - and > efforts are underway to harmonise this effort with schema.org to make > life easier for developers. I expect that a stable supported ontology with > URIs and Linked Data for units of measure along the lines of a QUDT 2.0 > could be far more useful to software developers than simply denoting a unit > of measure by its UN ECE Common Code string. We can certainly do better > than that. It could almost certainly avoid a large amount of duplicated > effort in coding conversion factors and offsets and would also help to > ensure that whether the product specifications are provided in SI units or > non-SI units (as they are in different regions of the world), the same > quantitative information is readily available so software applications, > without ambiguity or unnecessary duplication of effort by developers. > > I hope that Ralph Hodgson can chime in with a brief status update on QUDT > 2.0 - and also that those of us who would be interested in helping to > accelerate this (or something similar) can step forward and offer to help > with reviewing it or beta testing it - or filling in the gaps for the > missing features. > > Best wishes, > > - Mark Harrison > > > > > On 7 May 2015, at 09:08, martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org wrote: > > Dear Kingsley: > Technically, as we agree, this is no big deal. > > But there are so many abandoned RDF / Semantic Web efforts rottening on > the Web and wasting the time of developers who try to built something on > top of it -- until they find out that the project is way out of date -- > that I do not see any gain in such a quick fix. > > Martin > > > On 07 May 2015, at 01:25, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote: > > On 5/6/15 6:31 PM, martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org wrote: > > The problem is not the one time generation. The problems are as follows: > > 1. Copyright - Are you allowed to republish the code set as RDF? > 2. Sustainability - Are you commited to keep the URIs dereferencable, or > will some domain grabber take the domain name once the creator has > completed his/her PhD and lost interest. > 3. Updates - Will you keep the RDF version in sync whenever the standard > changes? > > Unless there is a clear "yes" to all three questions, it is better to use > the official codes than derived URIs. > > Martin > > > Martin, > > What's wrong with: > > <#someResolvableVariantOfIdentifier> > a owl:Thing ; > dcterms:identifier "{literal-variant-of-standard-identifier}" . > > Which can be further embellished by Linked Data publisher in their > ontology/vocabulary by adding the following: > > dcterms:identifier > a owl:InverseFunctionalProperty . > > Productive workflow: > > 1. Get the data dump in a spreadsheet > 2. Save as CSV > 3. Load into LOD or Google Refine > 4. Map to relevant ontology (existing, or new) > 5. Dump data into an RDF document > 6. Publish (note: using # as indexical mechanism makes the publication > Linked Open Data prinicples compliant off-the bat). > > > It can be done quite easily. I deliberatly opted not to do it :) > > > Kingsley > > > > > On 06 May 2015, at 23:56, Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com> wrote: > > How much time do you think it would take to generate RDF (and namespaced > URIs) from the linked spreadsheet? > > Mappings to/from UN/CEFACT codes (as owl:sameAs mappings to strings) could > certainly be useful. > > On May 6, 2015 4:31 PM, "martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org" < > martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org> wrote: > I think a validator should simply use the list of valid codes from the > most recent UN/CEFACT document (available as MS Excel from > http://www.unece.org/cefact/codesfortrade/codes_index.html). > > There might be unit of measurement ontologies out there that hold the > UN/CEFACT Common Code string for a subset of all units as a literal value. > But for validation, one should use the authoritative list from the Excel > files (since they are updated from time to time). > > URIs are not better than strings for validation, because URIs are strings. > > Best wishes / Mit freundlichen Grüßen > > Martin Hepp > > ------------------------------------------------------- > martin hepp > e-business & web science research group > universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen > > e-mail: martin.hepp@unibw.de > phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 > fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 > www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) > http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) > skype: mfhepp > twitter: mfhepp > > Check out GoodRelations for E-Commerce on the Web of Linked Data! > ================================================================= > * Project Main Page: http://purl.org/goodrelations/ > > > > > On 06 May 2015, at 20:34, Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks! > > I notice that with QUDT there are SI conversion factors and complete URIs > for each unit. > > Is there a schema for validation of "schema:QuantativeValues supports all > UN/CEFACT Common Codes"? > > (A similar quandry as with MedicalCode; where URI namespaces (like icd10:) > would be more helpful for terminological validation and disambiguation than > plain string keys) > > On May 6, 2015 4:26 AM, "martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org" < > martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org> wrote: > > Hi Wes, > sorry for a very late reply: > > Actually you could easily use schema:QuantitativeValue for both time and > volume, with SEC as the unit code for t and LTR as the unit code for > liters, and link both via schema:valueReference, or better, and > owl:subProperty thereof. > > For the principle, see > > > http://wiki.goodrelations-vocabulary.org/Documentation/Structured_values_and_value_references > > > schema:QuantativeValues supports all UN/CEFACT Common Codes for units, > which should cover all you need: > > > > http://wiki.goodrelations-vocabulary.org/Documentation/UN/CEFACT_Common_Codes > > (Mind the full list in the public Excel files, the page just highlights a > small subset.) > > Best wishes / Mit freundlichen Grüßen > > Martin Hepp > > ------------------------------------------------------- > martin hepp > e-business & web science research group > universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen > > e-mail: martin.hepp@unibw.de > phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 > fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 > www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) > http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) > skype: mfhepp > twitter: mfhepp > > Check out GoodRelations for E-Commerce on the Web of Linked Data! > ================================================================= > * Project Main Page: http://purl.org/goodrelations/ > > > > > On 01 May 2015, at 13:45, ☮ elf Pavlik ☮ <perpetual-tripper@wwelves.org> > wrote: > > Hi Wes, > > On 01/26/2014 07:20 AM, Wes Turner wrote: > > Say I am trying to share a tabular dataset. [1] There's metadata for > the Dataset, and there's metadata for the particular columns (which > applies to the particular data items). > > For example: > > t volume (liters) > ----------------- > 1 1 > 2 0.7 > 3 0.5 > 4 0.3 > 5 0.1 > > Questions > =========== > # Is there (a good) way to specify these units and quantities (in > addition to XSD datatypes)? > > You might like to check out > * https://iotdb.org/pub/iot-unit.html > > Cheers! > > > > > > > -- > Regards, > > Kingsley Idehen > Founder & CEO > OpenLink Software > Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com > Personal Weblog 1: http://kidehen.blogspot.com > Personal Weblog 2: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen > Twitter Profile: https://twitter.com/kidehen > Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen > Personal WebID: http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this > > > > > > > -- Wes Turner https://westurner.org https://wrdrd.com/docs/consulting/knowledge-engineering
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